Episode 43 – Unstoppable Vision

As regular Unstoppable Mindset listeners know, here we do not at all simply believe “vision” means eyesight. Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady is a perfect example of why this is so. Dr. Archilla-Cady works today as an anesthesiologist in Florida, but during his life he went through a period of being totally blind. He never let his eye condition stop him as you will hear.

Carlos began his career working as a medical officer for the U.S. navy. It was later that Glaucoma began to affect his eyesight. However, as you will hear, even this situation which might stop most people Carlos worked through his depression and fear. He allowed himself to undergo several medical procedures that eventually restored most of his sight.

Through everything, Carlos’ vision never failed at all. He illustrates a precept I mention in my book, Thunder Dog, that says, “never let your sight get in the way of your vision”. During this episode Carlos will tell you of his dreams to participate in space travel as well as where he believes space will play a part in the lives of all of us.

Take a listen and hear a man who truly has “unstoppable vision”. Thanks for listening and please don’t forget to give us a 5 star rating after hearing Carlos.
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About the Guest: 
Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady is first and foremost a husband and proud father of two children. He is a Pediatric Anesthesiologist working at Nemours Children’s Hospital in Orlando, Florida. He is the immediate past Chair of the Anesthesiology and Pain Management Department and member of the Senior Leadership Team. He recently obtained a Global Executive MBA from the IESE Business School. He is a healthcare leader, supporter of medical missions, researcher and frequent keynote speaker at national and international conferences. He is a veteran of the US Navy and a patron of the arts and culture. He has experienced visual disabilities in the recent past. This has motivated him to advocate for disability inclusion in all aspects of life, including employment and positions of leadership. He is a Space Explorer and astronaut-in-training as he advocates for disability inclusion in space tourism and exploration.  As a cornea transplant recipient, he encourages organ donation and would like to thank all donors for their gift of life.
 

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Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.
 
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Transcription Notes

Michael Hingson  00:00
Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I’m Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that’s a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we’re happy to meet you and to have you here with us.
Michael Hingson  01:20
Well, hi, once again, it is time for another episode of Unstoppable Mindset. Thanks for dropping by. Thanks for being here. We have a fascinating guests today. I think he’s kind of fascinating. And you’re going to probably be quite engrossed and listening to what he has to say. I’d like you to be Carlos or chia, Katie. Carlos is a father and a husband. He is a hospital administrator. He has also become extremely interested in space and space travel. And we’ll talk a lot about that. He also has had some exposure to being a person with a disability. We’re gonna talk about that, and kind of how he’s worked through all that he’s got some good spiritual insights. And I think that what he has to say will resonate and kind of help us all so Carlos, welcome to unstoppable mindset. How are you? 

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  02:21
I’m doing well. Michael is truly being an honor that you invited me to share this time with you and your listeners and viewers and readers today.

Michael Hingson  02:32
Well, thanks for for being here and giving us a chance to get to know you better. So, as I usually kind of start these episodes, tell us a little bit about you growing up and kind of where you came from, and all that sort of stuff. Okay, how’s that for a technical question? That sort of stuff? 

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  02:50
Yeah, of course. Find yourself first. So you’re right. You know, I really enjoy defining myself as what I do in life, my values. I’m a father of two amazing children, great husband, very loving family and always want to kind of start defending yourself. And within that context, in terms of where I come from, I was born and raised in Puerto Rico. My family was one of the Wilson in the 1980s moved to the Orlando center, Florida area. In right now there’s a half a million Puerto Ricans in the area. That was kind of the first wave that moved into the mainland. So the past 30 something years Orlando has been my home, but because of other commitments, in terms of education, and also military commitments have been literally around the world. I still consider Orlando my home and my place of birth Puerto Rico.

Michael Hingson  03:49
So you spent time I think in the Navy, right?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  03:53
I spend 12 years in the Navy, I was commissioned some medical officer in 1988. In the body, they essentially they pay for full scholarship that pay for my medical school. In at the end of medical school, I had to pay back with my time. And when I finished my medical school, they gave me a deferment. To do my residency. I was a pediatric resident for in Orlando. And during my second year, they decided to the numbers have dropped and they needed me to to come on board. So my destination was an aircraft carrier that was already deployed in the Mediterranean. Is this about 1993 spent three years in the Persian Gulf and in the Bosnian war, supporting the missions during those years.

Michael Hingson  04:47
What is it like being on an aircraft carrier? I’ve heard it described as really just literally a small city but what’s it like?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  04:55
This a small set of people don’t realize that, that how many people we actually half on board. So the carrier by itself is about 4500 people. This is the people that are assigned to the carry in this different capacities. My capacity was medical officer, there’s about three to 400 officers, the rest and enlisted personnel. But when the carrier gets deployed, and it grows at sea, we get an additional 3000 People one time, we have 4000 people. So there was a period of time that we have the air when you think about the people with the planes, and the maintenance, and the pilots and all the support team, but also 1000 Marines that were attached to the carrier that time. So for periods of our few months, we have 1500 people. And I enjoy. That’s the part that I enjoyed the most about my military career was being deployed in the carrier, we had, you know, definitely place to eat, we have a post office on board, we have a church, we have different type of services in in our chapel, we have everything that you can imagine we have our own TV station. So we are very self independent unit.

Michael Hingson  06:16
So did they did they show a lot of like us programming. And of course, like most TV stations, did they show a lot of reruns

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  06:27
tried to remember the TV, I remember, that was not something that we all did, actually, the the TV station that we had, that we have our own programming was very popular, because of course, you know, you’d like to see the people that you see every day in a different capacity. But there were movies that were shown. And there were, of course, the news. And I think one of the things that I like the most and sometimes I miss is being deployed during a period of time that it was a war going on. And we were part of it. And we were supporting those operations, that you felt that you were part of history. So when you saw the news, and they were talking about something, that was not something that was happening somewhere out there, he was actually you in the middle of it. And that that kind of excitement was just something that sometimes I miss. And also I think the way that we work as a team, the work that we support each other the camaraderie with the other shipmates, I think you know, out of the many things that have shaped my leadership style, I will say that my military career has been one of the most influential factors in shaping who I am today as a leader.

Michael Hingson  07:40
When you had those 4000 extra people on board, the the people who were not normally part of the ship complement, did that, did that create real challenges? Or Did everyone get along because you’re all trained to work as a team, or what

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  07:56
we all work to work as a team, maybe people don’t realize that our aircraft carrier is an industrial complex, you have in the bottom of the ship, you have two nuclear reactors, to power the ship. And in the top of the ship, you have an airport, with 85 planes taking on and off 20 to 24 hours a day. So we all have a specific function, not only in our own departments and our own roles, but we also have a function to protect the ship. So we get into a situation that there is something that is threatening us, we actually have to go and something’s called general quarters, which is a significant major threat to the ship. I mean, everybody has to go and battle and then staff their battle dressing stations. That means when there’s a threat to the ship, everybody had an area sign in order to support what you will think operations that might lead into an attack. And we did that one time we were crossing the Strait of Hormuz, entering the Persian Gulf. And there were some Iranian ships or were too close to the ship. And then we went into general quarters because we didn’t know there were there was a hostile action being taken against in the other time that we went was actually a submarine that was getting very close from the bottom of the ship and then got within a certain perimeter. And we didn’t know that that’s the purpose of that submarine was to gather information in terms of intelligence, what was a hostile action? So we went into general quarters that time.

Michael Hingson  09:33
What did what was your position in general quarters?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  09:37
So I I’m I staff and lead the forward part of the ship. So you think about it, the ship is in different compartments. And if you have an attack in one section of the ship to kind of seal off the section from the rest of the ship so the fire or the damage doesn’t spread to the rest of the ship. So that area They have to be fully manned from the course every single logistics engineering services. But in my case, I was there to support, medical support, so anybody that is wounded, and to administer care.

Michael Hingson  10:18
So when your tour of duty was over, what did you do?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  10:22
So well, my duty was as a full, full time, let’s call active duty, decided to just go ahead and finish my training. And that was in Norfolk, Virginia. And I was trying to decide what specialty Should I just go back and finish pediatrics, or do some of the other areas my intent at that time was to do emergency medicine for pediatrics. And my second choice was to do pediatric anesthesia. The options in pediatric anesthesia were better at that time that emergency emergency medicine, and I was lucky to be accepted at the Johns Hopkins University. That’s what I did my, my training in sociology and pediatric anesthesiology in my department was combined with critical care. So we were, you know, what’s a very comprehensive program that cover all those three areas.

Michael Hingson  11:20
So, you went to Hopkins, and you kind of worked through that and, and we’re an anesthesiologist, so you’re or what exactly did you do?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  11:32
Yes, well, I finished as a pediatric anesthesiologist. And after my time in Hopkins, I decided to stay there, they definitely have very good professional options if I stay within the institution. But my family was in Florida, there was a significant family poll. At that time my, my daughter has was born she was six months old. And I wanted her to be closer to you know, the grandparents and the family. So we decided just to go ahead and move to Florida and I started working in Palm Beach County, so in South Florida for many years.

Michael Hingson  12:09
And you’re still there.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  12:12
Welcome senator from South Florida, I went to Central Florida, which is actually my home. But you know, it was I was the closest to Florida to Orlando at that time, being in Palm Beach County. And so I moved to back to Orlando, about 2002 timeframe. And I’ve been pretty much here since then, with some periods of time that I’ve gone somewhere else. I went back to South Florida for 18 months to develop a program there and then came back. So it has been a little bit of in and out period in during my time in South Florida. That’s when I discover that I have the type of glaucoma that I that I do. So the diagnosis was made in the year 2000 While I was in South Florida.

Michael Hingson  13:00
So that led to you obviously becoming some interest in the whole issue of vision, vision impairments and so on. So what happened to you? Why, how much were you involved with dealing with that glaucoma?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  13:19
Oh, significantly, I think the my journey this is now 22 years of experience in glaucoma and all the complications from that truly has shaped my life forever. And it’s try it’s hard to kind of summarize 22 years of the medical treatment, the many chapters that I went through, but I can go try to go briefly at the beginning of this tell the story that was ironically working with ophthalmologists and have the melodic surgery for children. And I doctor in at the end of the day, you know, everything was well. I was on my way home and driving home. I started seeing that my vision when white like a very dense fog. And this acid was time becoming worse I pull the car over awaited he really became a really wiped out in over about say about 20 minutes division recovered, then I was able to go home. And at that point I just decided to call the same of the monologist that I was working with that day and say, this happened. I knew that something was wrong. I just didn’t know why. And he said, No, you need to come and be seen immediately. So I get up on car, go to his office, and he start examining me doing the measurements. And then you get the famous home. And you say well, this is not a good sign. I know something is wrong. I just don’t know why and I was very anxious for him to tell me. So at that time, the buy pressures were in the high 50s. What is normal for intraocular pressure is somewhere between 10 and 20. And he monitor very aggressively we did four drops and one medication called Diamox. And my vision and my condition was stable until like about year 2004. When I started losing vision on my right eye, and when that happened was, I was told, you know, you need to go to the best centers for ice, which happened to be Miami, which is not too far away, I was in Orlando at that time. And when there and they decided to do surgery intervention, they place a valve in both of my eyes, and this valve controls my pressure. So it’s a passive mechanism. Once the pressure goes above 12, the valve opens up and drain fluid from the eye to the posterior part of your eye, and the pressures are normalized. And a year later, the same problem that I was having with the right, I started playing with my left eye, which is my dominant eye, we all we all have a dominant eye. In the precious we’re into the 70s. In when people try to say how can I compare 70 pressure to something that I know better, imagining your blood pressure that is normally 120 over 80 being 500 over 300. That’s the best analogy that I can get. So the word excessively high. But my I actually was pretty good, pretty good shape, you know, they didn’t have any problems. And when I decided to implant another valve in my left eye, and I lost vision, I went to disability for about a couple of months. And I was doing well until about 2013 When I started having cornea damage likely secondary to the placement of the valve and the tubes going into my eyes. And I had my first cornea transplant in 2013 in both eyes. And I was in disability bow, two months and another three months. So it was a prolonged period of time. So when I tell my story, I tell people, it was not just one episode of dealing with visual impairment, it was multiple episodes at different times.

Michael Hingson  17:23
You had a lot going on. And you eventually had to have corneal transplants and so on. How mentally were you dealing with all of that?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  17:37
During my first set of transplant? I did well, you know, I’m one of those very optimistic, like a realistic, optimistic and the optimist and is something that cannot drive me forward. So I felt pretty confident that this was going to be it that these transplants, were going to give me long term control of my vision. And I was going to reintegrate what I was doing, which I did in 2013. But that didn’t last too long. In 2018, which is five years later, I started gradually losing my vision more, the white out they can score cornea, edema, that led into my second set of transplants. And that’s what was out in disability for about three months at that time. And, again, you know, this optimism that I have was very good until six months later that dust settled transplant failed one more time in then then then I said, Okay, this is this is different. This is this is a repeated failure, something is not quite right. And when I talked to my medical team, there was no guarantee. So they will given me that if we were to do another third set of transplants, that that was going to be the solution long term. But that was the answer that we had at that time with the technology that we knew at that time. And I think that was probably my lowest point I got by before my third set of transplant that I’ve received few months after that. I went to zero we’re talking about totally blind. All I can see was motion in front of me. And I started kind of questioning my faith. I started questioning the why me I say questioning, what is it going to happen? This is going to be permanent. I decided to do a pilgrimage to Paris had been there before, went to basilica on top of the highest peak in the city of Paris. That is called sacred Kerr, which I felt something spiritually is special about that place. When there, you think about a pilgrimage. And they said, you know, you will be good you see when our priests but we don’t actually have priests here they have an in another church is called our Motherland, which is Mary Magdalene, where the remains of Mary Magdalene are in the altar of the church. For the ironically, the person that was running the church was a priest from Boston. And so he reconnected right away. And he administering a Minister May the environmental deep, sick, which is the first time that I’ve been annoyed, is one of the sacraments in the Catholic faith. And when that happened, I started questioning. So what is going to happen next, and we’re talking about miracle, and they start questioning myself, Am I ready for a miracle? He sounds wonderful that I can be sure that this will go away. And I just didn’t know what a miracle will mean for me. So I remember asking him at the end. And he says some things I’ve something that I carried for the, for the rest of my life. He said, miracle is very different different people, what do you define miracle might be different to another person, define a miracle. And keep in mind that your miracle might be that you will have the strength to go through what you’re about to go through. And so I came back, I had my third set of transplants. And right before that, I decided, you know, what, I stepped down on my leadership position, which was hard. I felt like I was letting people down in my department in the hospital that I have worked for for so many years. And I took an indefinite leave of absence, because I didn’t know how long this will take. Eventually, the leave of absence and disability lasted for 10 months. And then, and then I will say that that was probably the most difficult time of my life. But at the same time, things, amazing things happened to me, that had transformed my life forever. When I had the third set of transplant

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  22:27
at the end of the surgery, my you know, we decided to do my dominant eye first, which is my left eye. My vision, the right eye, was very compromised by the fact of the corneal edema that was happening. In the end, I needed a transplant, but they didn’t want to do the two transplants. On the same day, they usually spaced them out, just in case there’s a complication or an infection. So that transplant occur about three months after that. And my surgeon said, We are lucky we got very young donors, we have a very high number of cells. So we got really, really good cornea tissue. And I said, Great, she said, but this time, you’re gonna be in bed three days, a strict bed rest, compared to the usual 24 hours, they put a bubble behind your new transplant really attaches into your cornea a little bit easier. So I have to be I couldn’t do anything. I you know, my husband has to feed me bathe me? You don’t you’re not I had not developed at that time, the coping mechanisms when accurately I go from somebody that is fully able to now fully or unable, at least from my perspective, and in a thing the one thing that carry me through those 10 months with some things that happen in the beginning definitely my family was extremely supportive. But also my faith really was very supportive during that period of time. And if I may share the story, it was day number two I was going to see the doctor day number three in the morning and then her my eyes you know bandage and couldn’t see. In all I was thinking is when they remove this bandages, I don’t know much I’m going to be able to see is it the transplant successful? Do we need to do something else? If this is going to work or not? I mean, it has so many questions. And in day number two, I was laying in bed in the hotel that was close by the hospital. And I started feeling I was listening to music music was very healing to me that’s kind of it I still use music as a way to heal and meditate. And as I was listening to music, the music started fading In a way, in a fail, my body was getting very light in a failed this wonderful feeling that people called grace. And I started levitating. In this episode lasted for about three minutes. At the beginning of, I’m gonna be honest, I was very scared. And then I realized what was happening, and then became very peaceful once the episode, and I knew in my heart that I was very confident the next day I was going to get good news. So, when I woke up that morning, and went to a doctor, even before the doctor examined me and remove the bandages, I had a very strong feeling in confidence that this was a successful operation. And at that time, I was just saying, Okay, if you’re gonna do this one, does this happen in a very special place, you know, like a US holding the hands of the people that you love looking at sunset or sunrise and special place in the world. And I said, you know why? So they have to happen in a hotel, in a Spring Hill by Marriott, which is not a bad hotel. I mean, it had free breakfast. And when did you pick up a better hotel, you start going through this kind of silly, silly thoughts. And I think the the the message is that we have to be open to that. And that can happen at any time in any moment. There is no special place, we have that capability within us.

Michael Hingson  26:40
I gather that when the bandages came off, you did have a successful operation?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  26:48
Yes, when they took the advantages, and they look at my lesion was somewhere between 2100 2150, which is for a newly open AI, in, you know, definitely craft being implanted. It was pretty good, I never had that good have a vision after a transplant, this is my third time with a transplant. And after that, I will say that I was just very energized, I said, Okay, maybe I will need an indefinite leave, maybe I can come back earlier. Of course, you know, you’re you’re a physician, so you know that you have this kind of honeymoon period. And then after that some healing process was going to happen. So in the days to follow my, my condition starting to deteriorate, meaning that my visual acuity what I had that day worsen, which is pretty normal, as the inflammation process started taking place. In over those 10 months, I think you can go through all five stages of grieving, I will say that I kind of skip the denial phase, because I knew exactly what was happening. So I guess the beginning was more this kind of mixture of anger and bargaining and the anger was more kind of why me. One of the things that I loved the most and I’ve been involved with, with the movie industry and the independent side and, and working with documentaries and bringing social justice documentary from all around the world to us audiences, and then just say the thing that I love the most, I might not be able to do it anymore, if I completely lost my vision. And so so having the process of anger that follow with the bargaining in the bargaining is, it sounds a little bit silly. And I don’t know, some of your listeners may relate to this. But when I saw with my limited vision, someone that was either hearing in fear someone with mobility issues or was in a wheelchair, someone that had all the type of disability, you start saying, oh, would it be better to have that type of disability that the one that I have, and I felt bad, horrible for thinking that way. But that was I guess, part of the grieving process. In that they started my vision started getting a little bit better. But it took a long period of time. And definitely I went through a process of significant depression over a period of time I need to see mental health. And I think that was very instrumental in my recovery. And I did what we considered the standard mental health counselor and professional, but also alternative ways to for for mental health. And I had a coach a life coach. And I started telling her this my story and in I started kind of sharing a little bit of some of the visions that I was having during this period of time about what will be next what will be the next chapter in my life and I started having this vision and this dreams about that I was going to some point. Tell people about my story and power people inspire people, that I was going to be a motivational speaker or something in the similar, but I was going to share the story and that story was going to be inspirational to others. And she said to me, pretty much that’s the same feeling and premonition that I have before meeting I met you today. And during our session. And another thing that I was trying to save in, I felt that I was in a safe environment with her. Since I had that episode of grace that I have maybe another couple of those, I started feeling that my tactile senses and hearing senses were very heightened. And I know that’s normal, when you have one sense that is compromised, the other ones tend to overcome that by getting stronger. But when to the point that I could, I could feel the energy of a tree of the ocean of the people around me. And it was something new to me that I didn’t have the capability maybe was something she always said to me, you I think you were born with that gift with that gift never surface until now. So I think I think that was very instrumental to kind of maybe be able to get that that help. And I think that’s when I decided to go through what we call the acceptance phase. And I think that is what really carried me forward to today.

Michael Hingson  31:28
How did you get involved with having a life coach, what made you do that?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  31:33
Well, I heard many people about that. And the ironic part that she happened to be my front door neighbor. And so of course, the the access, the easy access really helped because I just, you know, we just have to visit each other. And we were all neighbors, and we already had developed a level of trust, as neighbors and friends not in that kind of capacity. And I knew about the word that she has done for others. So I felt very comfortable opening up to her because we already have that friendship neighbor relationship. So I said it was quite easy. But it’s it could be very difficult for many people to seek mental health in general, and even more alternative sources of mental health. And part of that acceptance. I mean, I think that kind of helped me to go to the acceptance phase. And one of the things that I wanted to do is kind of reach out to the families of my daughters, something that I’ve never done before I have multiple transplant from from other donors. So I contacted the lions Bank, which is the one the largest I tissue bank in the country, and say, Is it possible that I can contact the donors? I know, I heard that you can do that. But I just never thought that I was able to do that. They said absolutely, the way it works is very low expectation. And we’ll contact them and they will be the ones to decide if they want to receive communication from you. And if they want to establish some contact we’re talking about this is months after third passing, which is a sensitive period, I find out that my donor from my left cornea was a 28 year old young man that died in an accidental way. And my donor of my right eye was a 46 year old woman also healthy that tie in an accidental fashion. So my the lions bank contacted me and said would you like to hear from the from one of the recipients? And they said yes. So I said okay, let me just write a letter, imagining the emotions I was going through what am I going to say? I mean, I wanted to say so many things about how the gift of life transformed my life. So I decided to send excuse me to kind of discuss the issue of legacy. So I wrote him a letter. And I said to them, I would like to thank you for your decision to donate. In the case of the the one of my daughters who he was a young guy, 20 years old. I said I I would like to thank you for your decision to donate his organs. And this is a beautiful example of love and courage. And I would like you to know that his legacy lives and continues to impact the lives of many people. And it’s my duty to honor his legacy with my life’s mission to care for those who are ill, and advocates for those who had no voice. And I said to them, it has been said the legacy of sowing the seeds in a garden that you will never see. Please know that discarding is now in full bloom, and leaves strong in the lives of many like me, that have been touched by the gifts of life of your loved one. They received a letter, they wrote back, that they were very moved by my letter, but they were not ready to make contact with me. And I said, I feel so energized that I was able to kind of convey the message to them. And it was something that an experience that I will carry for the rest of my life.

Michael Hingson  35:38
Well, and have you heard any more from them? Or?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  35:44
No, I’ve recently tried to establish additional contact. But I’m still I mean, we’re talking about when I have years, where we’ve maybe we’ll maybe we’ll do it again. Actually, the lion lions bank will be the feature recipient story for the annual report that is coming out in May, that may trigger them to receive a copy and maybe, maybe we know, so it’s a possibility. Yes,

Michael Hingson  36:15
time will tell, but it is tough. And everyone advances and deals with these kinds of challenging situations in different ways. So you have, you’ve been the recipient, you’ve been able to reach out. And of course, it was a pretty traumatic and challenging time for you. So I would assume that even you writing those letters had to be somewhat therapeutic and helpful to you?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  36:43
Oh, absolutely. I, especially when I did, you know, you want to try it, I wanted to write like a 10 page letter saying everything that how they this gift of life, transformed my life, and probably the life of many others that probably received other organs. I didn’t know that part, these other organs were also donated. But you know, you’d have to be brief, and you want to kind of deliver your message. And for me, I was very comforted by the fact that they know that what their decision that they made, there was very courageous in a very difficult time, had transformed, transformed least my life, and I’m pretty sure they live for many others. Everyone that that becomes an organ donor. And not on average, you save a people’s lives. So I know there were probably more than one person that were transformed by the gift of life. And this kind of acceptance can all kind of gave me the strength to say, you know, I’m going to overcome this, and I’m gonna go back to work and I have to give it time. And but I have to kind of the, I need to create a plan B. So my plan B was to say, well, since I’ve been an administrator, I can do that full time. I don’t need to have the vision acuity that you need to have to do clinical. So enroll in a global executive MBA program did a business degree, which I just finished in March 18. And believe it or not, right now, the plan B could be compliant A, but at least of your comfort there have all options available to them.

Michael Hingson  38:25
So do you do you work as an anesthesiologist today?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  38:28
Yeah. So after 10 months, I return. Ironically, I returned to work March of 2020, this same week that the pandemic broke out. And I was able to give us in some way helpful because I think the a lot of the cancellations and the prioritize, right? prioritizing the care for those that were having covered related complications helped me in two ways, you know, the case law was lower, so help me reintegrate to the, to the kind of work that I did. So you were saying, Yeah, I went back to work. I was clear by my doctors to return to work in a part time capacity in March of 2020. Yeah, and which are everybody knows on March 2020, is when the pandemic broke out. And he helped me into into ways as there were so many cancellations to prioritize the care of patient would cover then the related complications. It was he helped me a little bit of reintegrate to my my my work a little bit easier. And in top of that, the fact that my specialty was probably the best specialty best suited to the needs of people had at that time were the experts in respiratory management, ventilator management, airway management, skills that are very, they were very important the early stages of the pandemic. So I felt that it was energize and even give me a sense of Continue the healing process, something that continues even in your career to go back to work, you can still continue your healing process. So gave me this energy to re enter gate to the kind of work that I was doing as an anesthesiologist in a quicker way. But also with a greater sense of purpose. You know, my skills are very well needed right now. And I’m making a very big difference to what my the hospital and our community is going through.

Michael Hingson  40:30
So a couple questions. One, I want to go back to life coaching, do you still see her? Do you still do life coaching?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  40:38
It’s interesting that I did it for some time. And you know how life is you know, things get busier and wanting to business school. So I was doing 100% school and 100% work. So cannot the the mental health of the continuation of that has taken a backseat backseat. Now my clinical follow up, I mean, I go to Miami, which is about three hours drive or, or half an hour plane ride. I go there every quarter every three months. So I pray I have prioritized for the past two years. My last evaluation was about a week or two ago, it was pristine, they said my transplant looked phenomenal. And another thing happened was if I may say another spiritual story, the week before my appointment with my team, my transplant team in Miami. I was in Israel, and I have been in Israel for a couple of times before with the military. This time was more vacation. You know, my last day in Jerusalem, I knew about the blind man from Jericho. And we have been in Jericho the day before. And I said where did this miracle happen that is being told in the Bible. And they say he happened in this pool that is in the kind of outskirts of the city of Jerusalem, the lowest point of the city, where historically all faced the Jewish faith, the Muslim faith, and the Christian faith, all those people will gather in this pool to climb the mountain to go to the top of the hill where the city of Jerusalem is located. So what’s the sacred place for all of them? In and that’s kind of the reason why the miracle happened there. Because the people that had disabilities and in blindness was a no no cannot go into the city, they will not consider him worthy of going into the city of Jerusalem. And the they said the problem yes about doing this today is because is a bad storm. And it’s raining when I say raining, it doesn’t mean they’re much. But when the rain is major flooding, because they used to significant amount of rain. And it was raining pouring and said we can go there. But please know that they might not let you go in because that pool gets flooded very easily. It they don’t let people go there because they can have accidents. So I said well, let’s go you know, I’m one of those that determined very determined person. So we go there. And as soon as we have right, the rain stop, and they led me in and I went to the pool cannot recreate it the the story from the Bible about putting putting some mod in your eyes and then going into the pool and wiping your eyes off from the dirt. And when I did that, Southern the song came out and he was bright and low carb and he was bright. And I felt something special. And I said okay, I need to I was on my way to Tel Aviv. Let’s go back to Tel Aviv. As soon as I left the area, the rain started pouring one more time. And I’m telling the story because it’s similar to the story that I received right before when I get and I got the third set of transplants to say, Hey, your evaluation that you’re going to have next week is gonna be okay. So it was kind of spiritual but also very comforting. And, and I think all these things that I’m telling you right now, kind of lead into what I am today, which is for the first time I feel comfortable and empowered to tell my story. And my my hope is for people to know that I think by now, people that have been listening they can tell that this was not a one time this is multiple episodes of visual impairment, multiple setbacks, in keeping yourself with the hope and the determination that you are going to overcome this. And to let people know that today, I am very fully functional on 2025. And I have been able to overcome this. Going back to your question about mental health advice your life, a life coach, I think now that I’m telling this story, I’m going through this, also a little bit of emotional time, because I feel more vulnerable as I tell my story, but at the same time is has been very healing and very empowering. So I think I need to kind of find that support again.

Michael Hingson  45:34
What is the difference between a life coach and a therapist, do you have a thought about that

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  45:41
the life coach can know is if it’s not a licensed mental health counselor, and that could be you know, psychologists, it could be a physician, it could be a licensed clinical social worker. So this many people that can be licensed, so they’re not licensed, they’re just more coaches. So they’re not licensed in providing mental health counseling. But they also have provide other ways of therapeutic regimens that probably you might not get from traditional medicine. One of the ones things that are discussed with the life coaches, I felt for many years, the in then, after this experiences happened, I, I feel the power of my hands having the ability to, to heal. And in sometimes there’s some things that I cannot explain that I put my hands over a person of some time a plant, and something’s change after I did that. And she was telling telling me about traditional alternative way of healing, which is called Reiki, something that is done in Japan, which is pretty much getting the energy of your body to go into your hands and place it in the area that needs healing. And that kind of that kind of energy. Encouraging, encourages healing cells to kind of go from different parts of your body to go to that area and promote healing. And so that was one of the techniques that I use while I was healing and what I was doing disability to help myself heal is to do some of that Reiki technique.

Michael Hingson  47:28
Well, let me ask you this, how is your view of blindness changed? Having gone through all of the medical changes and so on that you’ve done?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  47:39
I think, you know, leads to the second question is how my life evolved and changed since I decided to tell my story. And telling the story is for me to admitting that I’m a person that has been disabled, that have some minimal limitations right now. And I have the potential to be fully disabled in the future. So number one, are not afraid to be blind anymore. I know that this experience has empowered me that the same way that I overcame, the medical challenges and the multiple setbacks, I will overcome if blindness were to occur. And I started kind of thinking about what people with disabilities, blindness, mobility, hearing impairment, neuro disabilities, the, you know, the, the spectrum is so big right now, we have 1.3 billion people in the world with some type of disability. This is about 20% of the population in the world, in a study kind of uncovering the benefits, and that people with disability brings to life to an organization to employment. And I started kennel nursery and telling people that you have so much to offer and to also have the ability to advocate for them and talk to organizations to be open that we did this diversity inclusion movement in some way or fashion. People with disabilities work can will not carry through this process, the same way that the social justice movement in this ran and race, gender, LGBT rights, disability seem to cannot took us not a step back with a kind of back back on the line. And I feel that we need to start talking about that then. This year was very empowering to have the best picture in the Oscar award for the Sundance Film Festival for many years. And we always wanted one of our films to be selected as a Best Picture and we have many that were nominated and never won that one. And it was so good that the one that actually won for the first time in 35 years, was a film about hearing impairment about disability is in having a cast that was actually disabled not pretending to be disabled. In, in this, I think is opened the door for me to see disabilities not as a problem, but actually as an acid as something that we bring so much that to many aspects of life.

Michael Hingson  50:26
We we often hear people talking about those of us who happen to be classified as people with disabilities as they call us disabled. And that means, by definition of the word we don’t have the abilities that, that others except as things that you need to have. And what we’ve learned is that there is a difference in saying a person is disabled, as opposed to saying a person has a disability or, or something of that sort. Because the reality is that we all have challenges. And we all have gifts, and I’ve said it before on this podcast. But what is really a disability as such. And we’ve got to get beyond thinking that because somebody is different than us, because they don’t do things like we do. Some of us don’t walk, some of us don’t hear, as you said, some of us don’t see. But we have understood that. And I’m glad you came to the, to the conclusion that we have as much to offer, as anyone else does. We may not do it exactly the same way. But that is where our value comes in. And the fact that we are able to show others in our ways, the assets that we bring is, is hopefully something that over time will make the world more inclusive, I won’t use diversity, because diversity tends to not include disabilities anyway, even though every sighted person has the disability that they rely on light. So we could pick on that. But the fact is that we all have value. And it’s high time that society recognizes that. And yes, I agree with you about the Oscar winners this year. That was great. And it was exciting to to see that happen. I hope it will happen more. And then we will see more actors with recognizable and maybe not so recognizable disabilities actually be included in all areas of the moviemaking acting, television and media industries.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  52:56
And so yeah, and I think that’s kind of with the movement of diversity, equity inclusion, it is the inclusion part of the equation that is the most difficult, it requires an action. It requires a will by organizations and society to do that. But also kind of want to say the inclusion is your right, I don’t like the word disability, but it’s the best word that we have right now. Because it means this ability, you don’t have the ability. So we need to see people not by what they’re unable, but what they are able. And doesn’t matter the way that you are presenting your wheelchair, you have mobility issues, visual issues, hearing impairment, neurodiversity, mental health, because there is some disabilities that are visible and disabilities are invisible.

Michael Hingson  53:52
Well, and again, as I said, I could make the case that every single person on the earth has some sort of a disability. And that the reality is that a lot of the people don’t have disabilities that they recognize as such, because there’s been enough technology and work to overcome those. But now we need to bring the rest of us into that and become more accepting than we are.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  54:22
And in addition to acceptance, I also want people to kind of move from accessibility. Right, and I’m working with many organizations to kind of move that the efforts that they’re making because I know they’re making the efforts in to move from accessibility to inclusion, especially in the business side. Now that I’ve you know, after completing my degree, I’ve been doing business school for the past four years, that there is such a thing as a disability economy. And there is a lot of innovation that is being as people with disabilities are producing we are, I always say that we are in a constant innovative state every day we innovate, because we try to accommodate our reality to a world that is not made for us. So we have to innovate. And sometimes you have good days, sometimes you have bad days. So you try, whatever you innovate the day before you have a bad day, the next day, you have to re innovate again, imagine how transformation on powerful that could be for our organization. In so we need to start kind of bringing closer together the disability economy. And the venture capitalists and investors to say this is an Arab can invest. I tell people, there’s 1.3 billion people market, these people have a trillion dollars of income in progress believes that is somewhere between one and $3 trillion dollars of that a trillion is disposable income. So I signed to say this is it’s a win win, you create solutions. But if you actually find and invest in people that are coming with disability products and solutions, those solutions, not only can definitely have a potential to be business have a business sense, in terms of creating value. But also imagine that many of this, what people call special solutions become universal solutions that everyone in society can benefit from. And the best way to do it is to be sure that people with disabilities are included in the leadership structure of the organization. So you can actually promote this innovative mindset that will bring us something that we have to develop in our own lives.

Michael Hingson  56:54
Right. I want to switch to something else that I’ve been very curious about. And that is that you have become interested in space travel. Tell us a little bit about that.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  57:08
That’s, that’s my new. My new area, Carlos always gets into a new project from time to time, then this is my new one. The way that I got him interested, I mean, definitely, as a child, you know, that’s kind of your childhood dream to one day be able to go to space and reach to the stars. And the in my readings. Recently, this is a few months ago, I’ve read about a story about a group of 12 disability ambassadors that were chosen by a company called organization called astral access to do a spatial studio gravity flight. And of course, they chose different people have different types of disabilities. In when I read a story, I said, Okay, I have always thought that space travel is completely off limits for people like me, you know, we will not qualify, we cannot be pilots, we cannot definitely qualify for the astronaut training. But when I saw that, they said, Well, maybe maybe we can do that. And now that we have the space tourism industry, that you don’t have to be a fully trained astronaut, but you can still have the opportunity to go to space. I say, you know, why not me? So I decided to reach out to many of these disability ambassadors that were in that flight. That was in October of 2021. And I started learning from then how healing and empowering was that experience to them that when they were in zero gravity, they were not. They didn’t define themself about what they were limited. But what they were able they were floating in the air, they didn’t feel that they have any mobility limitations that didn’t have any visual limitations. So hearing limitations in that kind of environment, they were have a significant sense of freedom. And I said, Well, I want to experience that. So I talked to the company and I wanted to say you know want to use this experience, not Arsa experience what they experience, but also maybe advance this disability inclusion message that disability inclusion can also happen in space travel. And I was kind of having some signs that I brought a while I was in zero gravity. We were about eight and a half minutes and zero gravity. I was able to kind of show those signs to the cameras and they’d have to photographer taking pictures in people, you know, kind of kind of create awareness about disability inclusions about veterans or disabled veterans in space, and also promote organ and tissue donation. In addition to that, I knew that with glaucoma, there is some reports see that there is some effects visual effects of being exposed to microgravity. And one of the things that that I’m more concerned about is elevation on the intraocular pressures and pressures inside my high. And those have been reported to be in healthy volunteers that they have increased somewhere between 10 and 40%. So I wanted to measure that myself. So negotiated with the company to do it in a safe way towards the end, the last minute minute and a half of microgravity, my pressures went up about 31%. So I was able to measure that. And that happened immediately after we enter zero gravity. And within one minute of leaving zero gravity, they went back to normal. And I’m believed to be the first person in history to measure with active glaucoma to measure the internal pressures in zero gravity.

Michael Hingson  1:00:57
So what’s ahead for you in terms of space travel? And you’re interested in this?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:01:04
Yes, I mean, I really want to continue knowing more what happens with visual changes in my fingers posed to microgravity. I mean, right now, there have been some research that has been done, actually quite a bit of pretty good research. And we know already that you intracranial pressure increases in zero gravity, during 12 o’clock, precious increases uses zero gravity and the spinal fluid that you have in your brain, the amount increases in zero gravity primarily from recruitment from the spinal fluid that is in your spine, that goes all the way up to your brain. And then so the ventricles which the areas of the brain the whole, your spinal fluid, get enlarge, put some pressure into the ice and the ice get flatten in these changes can last for days, they delete and the intraocular pressures tend to normalize by day number three, or four or space travel. So it will talking about the space industry and having anyone including people with disability and visual disabilities with glaucoma, which is 100 million people in the world. With glaucoma to be able to have this experience, we need to make a safe for them. So the more we know about the effects, the more we can actually prepare, then maybe additional medications may be so acute treatment while you’re in the zero gravity, so that way we can do this experience safely for everyone. And this this has, has been well studied. by many scientists, there is a term that NASA came up to describe this phenomenon. In one of the things that we see is that astronauts that are in space for a prolonged period of time, especially those who are for their for weeks or months, when they return towards they their visual acuity goes from 2020 2015 to like 2200. In that happens in about 70% of people that go we have a prolonged exposure to microgravity in the solar effects. In addition, you know, there’s optic nerve and edema which is swelling of the optic nerve, the veins around your eyes, they can swollen, this on retinal changes, so probably is more multifactorial is not the increase in the intraocular pressures and the intracranial pressure that causes these visual changes. So we need to meet the need, we need to know more about that. So one of the things that I would like to do is continue having some opportunities to do this research, but not in healthy volunteers in people like me, so we can make a safe for people like me to go to space.

Michael Hingson  1:03:54
So are the changes permanent?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:03:58
Yeah, very good question. So the right now this changes, last four weeks, two months, they have been very rare. repond are reports that this can last for years. But there are definitely self limited as soon as you return back to to you know, to normal gravity. And this is this the name of this syndrome is called Space Flight associated neurotic syndrome. And as I said, it’s it can be observed as many as 70 to 75% of people that has been exposed have a prolonged exposure to microgravity. And so I did this for two reasons. I wanted to know how my body responded to microgravity. So when I do my my space flight, I will be able to prepare myself and maybe talk to my teens is anything that we can do extra medication, right, that I can do right prior to enter microgravity and made this experience a little safe not only for me, but for people like me.

Michael Hingson  1:05:00
So, philosophically speaking, why should we be exploring space?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:05:07
I think this is the I have to go back to the title of your podcast the unstoppable mind. We as humans, human kindness is in a constant state of evolution and a constant state of, of exploration. You think about it, you know, we when, in the past six, 8 billion years we went from one celled organism into a multi celled organism. In addition to that, we you think about explorers in the 14th and 15th century, that decided to explore the world we’re talking about the famous Portuguese and Basque explorers at first started venturing into the world. This is part of our nature. This is part of human nature, this part of humanity. And so the next step is same way that when we established the United States, we wanted to hold to this kind of westward move to expand our country, to things because we wanted to explore what was west of what the 13th initial colonies had territory that they had. But also because we wanted to discover what other things that we can actually discover there that can make society better. So we have been doing this exploration for years. And we are now naming this in some way we say to space for Earth, in why’s that low Earth orbit colonization is the next step for humankind. That’s the reason many industries right now many companies we’re talking about dozens, or maybe hundreds of companies are developing what this new space station will look like. And most of them will be privately funded. And we’re talking about hundreds of people in space orbiting the Earth in low orbit. I always say that this is going to be the next internet. Because when you do that, then you have to create a new industry, a new type of economy is a service economy. For those hundreds of people that are orbiting the Earth. There is also a medical research economy, that is also innovation economy, things that we can actually innovate there that can bring solutions or new products to make life better on Earth. In addition to the research and medical advances, and the and producing new products, the products that we already have to innovate, to actually service those space stations, mostly private that we’re going to be seen in the years to come. The solutions that we have to create can actually be commercialized to create solutions for problems that we have on Earth, the same way that I was telling you. Disability innovation can actually not only create special solutions, but create universal solutions. The same thing with space exploration can actually create no special solutions for the space industry, but actually create universal solutions for for all of us.

Michael Hingson  1:08:22
How soon do you think we’re going to see space colonization, low Earth orbit colonization be a regular part of our society?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:08:34
I think just I will not be surprised that within a decade, we’re going to be seeing more and more this, this prototypes are already made, some are being built. I think the first the next decade will probably bring more space stations, especially knowing that International Space Station will be decommissioned in that period of time, in 10 years, for now. I think they’re trying to stretch every every so often they stretch out a little bit longer, because is a lot of investment that has gone into it. And the next step will be Believe it or not colonization of the moon and looking at the resources that we can find in the moon. But also we can actually not only do colonization for research and medical advances and new product development, but we can actually move certain industry that can be polluting industries that can be actually placed in low orbit. So we don’t have to worry about the side effects of polluting effects of these industries. We can actually develop new sources of energy imagine solar energy that we can capture, even in a higher power. And then that energy being beamed down towards Empower Earth in a clean renewable way. So yes, I think the low Earth orbit colonization is something that we might see in a decade. Moon colonization and something that probably is a little bit down the road. But we’re destined to be an interplanetary species is just our nature. I think, you know, it’s within us, it’s in our DNA to be unstoppable explorers, because collectively and individually, we all have an unstoppable mind.

Michael Hingson  1:10:20
Being a science fiction fan, I, I can’t but think of Arthur C. Clarke and his proposal or, or visioning of an A space elevator, an elevator that actually would take people into space, to space stations and so on from Earth, that there would be a structure that would be 100 or 200 miles tall, that would actually go into space. And that would have a synchronous orbit space station that would be attached to the elevator, and people could actually ride it up to the spaceship station and go from there might be an interesting concept.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:11:00
Yeah, I mean, they talking about the Hyperloop, that we’re talking about that connecting cities within minutes, you know, within minutes versus hours of flight, the same concept can be applied to have a Hyperloop that connects the surface of the Earth with some of this low Earth orbit. Space Stations, one of the things that also is being developed is to have like the same way that you have airline hubs, you know, like Dallas at the JFK is to have some kind of hubs in that orbiting space at the hole, the old times, and you can have a Hyperloop connecting Earth to this hub. And then from there, people hop to the different space stations to the moon, and potentially to other planets, you know, always say that we, they always have taught us for years that the sky’s the limit. And and now we say no, the sky is no longer the limit, the universe is the limits, space is the limit. And I think by we essentially were limited, as a human species, by our ability to dream, if we are capable of dreaming and envisioning a future that is different, better, more powerful than the one that we have today. Then that future can happen because we have the capability to dream about it.

Michael Hingson  1:12:30
And that really means being unstoppable, which is what we’re all talking about.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:12:36
We have to have an unstoppable mindset, we have to have an unstoppable mindset. And and I think, you know, in the past few minutes, I never thought that what I said that I’m a person that has a lot of determination always been that way, never equated on determination to having an unstoppable mindset. But if now that I’ve been talking to you over the past few minutes, really makes me think that what really carry me on to where I am today, and I will be in the future is that unstoppable mindset. I think that was what really empower me during this years,

Michael Hingson  1:13:19
I believe it. And with that, I think we’ll go ahead and close this particular episode of unstoppable mindset. But at the same time, we have to have you back to hear more about what’s happening with you in space and some of the other things that are happening. And we’ll we’ll make that happen. If you’re willing to do it, we’d love to have it happen as well.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:13:42
Oh, that will be absolutely a pleasure and an honor to do that. I’m scheduled right now to go to space, probably sometime in 2026. And I’m also working with the space tourism companies, mostly all of them being able to meet the CEOs and the high executive to make space travel accessible to everyone, especially with people with disabilities. And during this process, we’re discussing about probably me going a little bit earlier. So I can be one of those and start providing some input to these companies to say how can we make space travel more accessible? So I will keep you posted by me, you know, when I go to when they’re when I’m closer to the app when I have our confirmation that something has moved over earlier, and wouldn’t be nice to come back to you and say, Hey, I did it. And this is this is what happened and share that experience with all your listeners.

Michael Hingson  1:14:41
Well, if you’re in space long enough, I’d rather do the podcast while you’re there.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:14:46
You know they they’re developing Wi Fi in space so that way

Michael Hingson  1:14:50
we can we can get good audio in space. No question. Well, Carlos, thank you very much for being with us. If people Want to reach out to you and learn more about some of your activities and so on? Is there a way for them to do that?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:15:06
I’m very good. If you send me a message through my LinkedIn, that’s the only social media that I belong to. I think I’m going to be doing the Instagram in the near future, or my email and something that you can actually share. When you oppose the episode. I will try to answer as quickly as I can. But give me a little time. But I love to continue this conversation with anyone that feel inspired by this story or would like to know more about it.

Michael Hingson  1:15:33
And what’s your email address then for people?

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:15:35
It is my first initial C and last name, A R C A C H I L L A M D@gmail.com.

Michael Hingson  1:15:45
Well, thank you again, for being here. This has been fascinating and fun. And I’m older than you. But I think I would also have to go to space, we’ll have to figure out how to make that happen.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:15:57
We’ll figure out a way for you. Maybe they were maybe you and I can go together.

Michael Hingson  1:16:01
That would be a lot of fun. I don’t know whether Alamo the guide dog will get to go. But I suppose we could get a spacesuit for a dog. But I’m not sure that he would like weightlessness, but something to explore. Well, thanks. Well, thanks again for being here. I want to thank you for listening out there, wherever you are in space or on the earth. We appreciate you and we appreciate your comments. So please feel free to email me at Michael M I C H A E L H I at accessibe  A C C E S S I B E.com. Or go to www.Michaelhingson.com/podcast. And Michael Hingson is spelled M I C H A E L H I N G S O N. We’d love to hear from you. Please give us a five star rating. When you listen to this we we value those and we value your input if you know of anyone else who we ought to talk to about being a guest on unstoppable mindset. Bring them on. We’d love to hear from you. And Carlos again. Thank you very much for being here.

Dr. Carlos Archilla-Cady  1:17:06
Pleasure being here. Thank you so much for the invitation and the opportunity.

Michael Hingson  1:17:10
Thanks very much.

Michael Hingson  1:17:17
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