Episode 189 – Unstoppable Advocate of a Little Less Fear with Lino Martinez

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This past May I was invited to schedule a time to appear on a podcast entitled “A Little Less Fear”. The title intrigued me as you can imagine. As I learned about the host, Lino Martinez, I found that not only did I want to appear on his podcast but that I was certain he would be a wonderful guest here on Unstoppable Mindset. As it turned out, I will be appearing on his podcast later in August and we just today, August 2, 2023, recorded my episode with Lino, (pronounced Leeno).

What a fascinating and heart wrenching story Lino has to tell. He was born in 1980. While a diagnosis wasn’t forthcoming until he was 36 years old, Lino was born with Muckle Wells Syndrome. As he will tell us, this syndrome manifests itself as the various parts of his body were at war with each other.

He did attend school around many illnesses due to the syndrome. However, things grew worse in 2006 and he began what turned out to be some forty surgeries. Even through the surgeries he worked to secure a doctorate in Psychology. He is a college professor today and has learned to thrive.

I believe you will find that Lino has much to tell us about how we can learn to fear less by especially learning more about self love. I am going to leave it to him to explain. Our conversation this episode is far ranging and quite provocative in a good way. I hope you find many good take-aways from my time with Lino Martinez. Be sure to check out his podcast “A Little Less Fear” too.

About the Guest:
Lino Martinez, Psy.D, is in the forefront of his life for the first time as a man. At birth he was given a rare genetic disease, Muckle Wells Syndrome, in which he was diagnosed 36 years later. In just 12 years, from ages 26-38, Lino had gone through over 40 surgeries to maintain his life. Lino was also born female and transitioned from female to male, to better match his authentic self at age 34. Lino is now 43 years strong and thriving for the first time in his life.

With incredible health experts, and a strong will to survive, Lino was able to take his pain and create a fruitful life with it. He now lives as vibrant as possible, walking on two legs, with his doctorate in Clinical Psychology. His dissertation explored ways to help women suffering with Chronic Urological Conditions by using Existentialism and providing a model for a therapeutic setting.

Some of his greatest passions are writing poetry, singing, interviewing people on his podcast show and showing love to the world. He is also inspired by the Deaf community and aspires to connect the hearing world and the Deaf world.

Lino wishes to help the suffering world through telling his story, and writing to help the world be a peaceful, loving place for humanity. With his new book, A Little Less Fear, Lino hopes to encourage others to live by his motto of living life with more love.

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About the Host:
Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.

Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children’s Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association’s 2012 Hero Dog Awards.


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**Michael Hingson ** 00:00
Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I’m Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that’s a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit
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**Michael Hingson ** 01:21
Well, hi, and here we are once again with another episode of unstoppable mindset. We’re inclusion diversity in the unexpected meet. And in case you really don’t know the reason the subtitle is that way is that when we talk about diversity, very rarely does anyone ever talk about disabilities. So I put inclusion first because if people say they’re inclusive, they can’t get away with leaving out disabilities. How’s that for a philosophical attitude. But anyway, there we are today, we have as a guest, Lino Martinez, who is a really neat person I’ve gotten to know over the past few months and we’ve chatted a little bit more today. And he has an interesting story to tell for a lot of reasons. And I’m gonna let him do most of it. And I’m gonna sit back and listen and just but if I really need to, so leave it all. I want to welcome you to unstoppable mindset. Thanks for being here.

**Lino Martinez ** 02:14
Thank you for inviting me. It’s such an honor. Thank you so much.

**Michael Hingson ** 02:17
Well, I really appreciate you coming and, and I know you and I are going to do an episode of your podcast called a little less fear later in the month. So that’ll be fun. So we’ll have to talk about that. But why don’t you start by telling us about kind of the early you and kind of where you came from. And I’m really interested to hear more about this Michael’s wells muckle wells syndrome. I’ve never heard of it before, but I’ll leave you tell it in your way.

**Lino Martinez ** 02:44
Okay, thank you so much. So yeah, basically, let’s see here. Uh, well, I was born in East Los Angeles in January of 1980. And I was born two months early, as an emergency C section, baby for my mother, the cord was wrapped around my neck. Now, I used to joke about this. And I used to see, well, I looked like I was trying to hang myself commit suicide in the womb, because I knew what I signed up for. I didn’t really want to be born. But I mean, lo and behold it. I mean, I really I was born early and and shortly after I was born. Within six months, I started having health, health issues, a lot of body spasms, a lot of tummy aches, and I was in and out of hospitals ever since I was a little kid. So, but the way that the disease presented itself was a lack of me growing, I wasn’t thriving at all, I was very skinny little kid, and I’m very tiny petite. And it just, I had severe stomach pains. And I was always in the hospitals. And that’s really how I spent a lot of my life. And, and it really wasn’t until, until I was 36 years old, where they finally diagnosed me with a rare genetic disease. I’m not sure if you want me to jump from birth to 36 years old, because a lot happened in between all of that. But to make the long story short, that what the disease does is it causes inflammation throughout my entire body. Now all diseases inflammation, even even having a headache is an inflammation. But this disease specifically has a mutation in the genetic mutation called an L and L RP three genetic mutation. And so when that is activated, it kind of like it kind of like it causes a war with all parts of my body, every organ, every nerve. And so when there’s constant inflammation in the body, and your nerves and your organs, things start to dysfunction, and they start to overreact. One of the doctors said that the disease is a drama queen. So

**Michael Hingson ** 04:49
quite literally, love doctors with great medical descriptions. But but it really probably makes sense. Yeah,

**Lino Martinez ** 04:56
so let’s say that and it could be triggered by anything. It can be triggered by stress, it can be triggered by any emotional stress, physical stress, even an injury, anything can cause this disease to activate and it can present itself and in countless ways, from migraine headaches to paralysis. And so in my case, since it took so many years to diagnose, it lead to paralysis and paralysis and my motor nerves and my peripheral nerves. And the paralysis began in my pelvic area. And basically, I wasn’t able to pee, I wasn’t able to go pee like a normal person does, starting as early as 26 years old. And by the time doctors figured out what was going on, that my muscles weren’t working at, there’s a lot of inflammation in the bladder that the bladder was hardening. By that time, there was no salvaging of my my bladder. And so after about 15 surgeries, it was not salvageable. And by the time I was 33 years old, I had a complete what’s called a radical cystectomy, which is a complete removal of my urinary bladder. And they did a complete reconstruction using about 60 inches total of my small intestine, my appendix and removing my urethra and cutting my kidney tubes in which took about five years to heal. So it was quite an adventure. And there’s a lot of suffering involved in that, but I came out on the other side stronger than ever.

**Michael Hingson ** 06:30
Wow. So you, you just really wanted to get the attention to the doctors, right.

**Lino Martinez ** 06:37
I guess. I was a challenge. I’ll tell you that much. It was a big challenge for them. It

**Michael Hingson ** 06:42
certainly sounds like it well. So what was it like for those first 26 years going through, obviously having a lot of issues. And so I’m like you, you clearly went to school and other things like that. So tell me a little about that.

**Lino Martinez ** 06:55
So by the time I was 26, I had my master’s in psychology and my bachelor’s in communication. I was doing very well. I do have my doctorate in clinical psychology, and I graduated when I was 30. That was back in 2010. I’m 43. Now, you graduated

**Michael Hingson ** 07:09
with what in 2008? Doctorate in clinical doctrine? Wow.

**Lino Martinez ** 07:13
Yeah, back in 2010. But from the first 26 years, yes, I was definitely going to school or getting a lot of good grades. But I was also sick in between. So I was constantly going to doctor appointments, and they couldn’t find anything, quote unquote, wrong with me at the time, but I knew there was something going on. There was something different than that. And I could just feel it. I could just feel that it wasn’t your average person. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

**Michael Hingson ** 07:35
where did you go to college? So

**Lino Martinez ** 07:39
yeah, I got my bachelor’s at Cal State San Bernardino, and mass communication. And I got my master’s at the Chicago school. And I also got my doctorate at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, the Los Angeles campus. Well,

**Michael Hingson ** 07:52
and as you pointed out earlier, we should tell people you’re in what Pasadena now so you’re really not all that far from us. Just a hoot and holler away.

**Lino Martinez ** 08:02
Yeah, I’m in Pasadena, California. Lovely. Sunny Pasadena. Yeah. And it is today. So you can call it the heat is on Michael. The heat is on. This is

**Michael Hingson ** 08:10
August 2 When we’re doing this recording, and it was 95 out here today.

**Lino Martinez ** 08:16
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we’re getting over here to Wow. But

**Michael Hingson ** 08:21
you see you, you know, it seems like 30 as an age to get your doctorate that is certainly not by any standard, unusual, and been so good for you to go off and do that.

**Lino Martinez ** 08:34
Thank you. I appreciate that.

**Michael Hingson ** 08:35
Did you start up practice or what?

**Lino Martinez ** 08:37
I was unable to practice, I was unable to get licensed because I started having a lot of surgeries prior prior to graduating. Luckily, the faculty and all of the professors worked with me while I was in hospitals, in and out of hospitals, I was able to complete my dissertation, within years of after graduating. And it was from the time that I graduated to about 40 years old that I had over 40 surgeries to save my life. And so I even missed the whole Facebook era. I never even had a Facebook I still don’t because that was very popular back then. And I was too busy wired up to machines and tubes coming out of my body. So I also had a feeding tube for eight years and I also lost my voice my ability to speak for two and a half years. I also wear hearing aids. So the journey continued with this with this disease up until I was approved approved by my insurance for immunosuppressant medications. And when I finally got on immunosuppressant medications, my voice started to come back very slowly, one vocal cord at a time. And yeah, so here I am thriving finally.

**Michael Hingson ** 09:38
Well, you certainly sound like you are and you’re you’re hopefully done with the surgeries for a while.

**Lino Martinez ** 09:43
The last surgery I had was about six months ago and it was because I had a CT scan of my kidneys and they thought they saw some stones but when they went in there, they didn’t find anything. So luckily I really feel that I’m for reals this time. I’m going to live the rest of my life disease free. That

**Michael Hingson ** 10:03
is so cool. And you are clearly a person who sounds very positive about all of it. And you get here, it really did. So any other things that you want to talk about regarding medical issues and all that.

**Lino Martinez ** 10:21
Be honest with you, it was very challenging losing my voice. I mean, losing my bladder was was a challenge in itself, but losing my voice, because I also saved my chin when I was a teenage singer. And so when I all of a sudden couldn’t speak, and even hurt, my vocal cords even breathe because your vocal cords expand when you breathe. So even breathing hurt. So I was really bedridden for that amount of time. But I went to sign school to learn sign language, because I wasn’t going to give up I have to keep communicating somehow. But that time, I became very depressed. So I went from physical ailments to now hitting my mental health. And I hit my mental health because I thought, What am I supposed to do with my life, I lost my ability to pee, I have a feeding tube, I can’t speak, I’m losing my hearing. I’m worrying trifocals on my glasses, like I don’t, I don’t know what else is gonna go next. And it seems like every every Oregon was going I went, I was on high doses of heart medications for a incredible rapid heart rate. So I was really bedridden for a very long time. And I wasn’t sure if I was going to make it. But one thing that I do want to reveal is that I’m transgender, I lived the first 34 years of my life as a female. And I also knew at the time that if I didn’t transition, I was going to die in the wrong body. And I was going to die in authentically. And so when I decided to finally get on hormone, hormonal replacement therapy, other things started to align even my purpose in life. So when I was in this, what I call the dying stages, because this disease was taking my life very slowly, I looked on the brighter side and saw that now my gender was aligning with what felt the best alignment for my spirit in this life. And that was a masculine energy. And even though at the time, I didn’t have a voice, and I didn’t know what I would even sound like as a man because part of becoming a man was being able to sound like a man. And now wasn’t even going to sound like a man. But at least I was looking like one. And at least I was feeling like one. And so when I was getting into this alignment of my feeling masculine other things started to align because I started to experience more self love. And when I experienced more self love, other joys started opening and opening itself to me and presenting itself as different avenues in my life.

**Michael Hingson ** 12:33
Did becoming a man, though, in any way, medically, help the whole healing process and getting you through a lot of the surgeries or lessening them. Did anything become simpler or is it wasn’t really totally unrelated,

**Lino Martinez ** 12:47
it became simpler became simpler, because I was more authentic with myself. It’s kind of like, it’s kind of like this, this is the only way I could explain it. Let’s see that you. Somebody tells you hey, Michael, just for the next three years of your life, you’re going to be called Jane, wherever you go, your name is Jane. Now you know, you feel like Michael, and you feel like my your body feels like Michael, you can feel yourself as Michael. But all of a sudden you have to be Jane for the next three years. So being Jane for the next three years is not going to feel authentic to you. And in that you start to present yourself differently in a different manner. And you start to feel insecure. So I lived my life with such insecurity. So when I finally transitioned to my full self, there was less insecurity and with less insecurity means there’s less fear. And when there’s less fear, that means there’s more love. And when there’s more love, there’s more opportunity.

**Michael Hingson ** 13:39
And with all of that there’s a whole lot less stress and that had to help in the healing process. Physiologically, yeah, physiologically, did it make life easier just to be a man instead of a woman? Or did that did that help just from a standpoint of apps actual physiological sorts of things did did the insides of your body becoming a male as opposed to a female make any difference?

**Lino Martinez ** 14:08
The what made a major difference is that I decided to have a lot of surgeries to better align my body physically as a man and I wasn’t intimidated at all because by by now Michael, I had had over 2030 surgeries to save my life. So what it’s not a big deal to have my breasts removed at this point, it’s not a big deal to have a hysterectomy and it really wasn’t and I’m sorry for for listeners that are listening for the first time and if it triggers them, for me to say that it was nothing to have a double mastectomy or that it was nothing to have a hysterectomy. This isn’t in any way to hurt anybody’s experiences with whatever they may have experienced. But for me personally it was freedom. For me personally, it was not painful. There was joy involved with that. And it better align with me when I touched my chest and the breasts were gone. It felt like this is me whole this is who I am. Well,

**Michael Hingson ** 14:53
the other part about it is just listening to you clearly you’re very confident about yourself Today, and as I said, with all the things that have happened a whole lot less stress, and that has to help the confidence we I’m actually writing we’re we’re in the middle of writing a book about fear. And the idea behind it basically, is that the biggest problem with fear is everyone thinks you can’t control it. It’s all biological. And that’s all there is to it. But the reality is, you have control over fear or can learn to control fear so that you can make it a very powerful tool, as opposed to a negative thing in your life. And, of course, my story of being in the World Trade Center on September 11, and the things that I learned that prepared me, although I didn’t know it at the time, but prepared me to be able to deal with the emergency of what happened that day and getting out and so on, was all about creating a mindset that I only later realized that creative which was fear, is not really the problem. There are some things you can control and some things that you can’t. And what we need to focus on are the things that we can and one of them is really the whole issue of fear. We don’t need to be afraid of everything, even unexpected things that happen in our lives. If we prepare.

**Lino Martinez ** 16:17
Yes. And a lot of the times it’s hard to prepare to not be in fear, because our instincts and as you were saying a lot Physiol physiologically, our body will respond with increased cortisol levels stress hormones, when fear presents itself, but fear in general as an emotion, is the complete opposite of love. And in life, there’s only two emotions fear and love. Because all negativity is the derivative of any negative feeling of any negative thought is fear. And so when you can break that down and see, well, why am I feeling negative about this? What’s the underlying fear? There’s a fear with every negative emotion, there’s an attachment to it. And when you see that life is only two major emotions, love and fear, you can start leaning more towards love. And when you start leaning more towards love, there’s less fear and less negativity.

**Michael Hingson ** 17:10
Yeah. And that makes a lot of sense. It’s just that we don’t teach that collectively to people we

**Lino Martinez ** 17:19
don’t, we don’t. And that’s challenging. And when we learn that in school, either, yeah, we don’t know that anywhere live, we

**Michael Hingson ** 17:27
don’t live anywhere. Well, and look at all the things that are going on around us. If you sit back and analyze everything that’s going on in politics, it’s all about fear. People are selling fear. And they’re, they’re not helping to encourage us to step back and look at things or on television, advertisements are oftentimes all about fear, really is beware of your car light, or engineering light or your your car. Motor light coming on, you know, so get this warranty now. And it’s all about fear.

**Lino Martinez ** 18:04
It really is. It’s all about fear. And I really stay away from politics as much as possible. I don’t listen to the news, if I really try to remain as focused in the present moment, because any any any politics or anything that’s going to steer someone towards fear. It’s either living in the past or living in the future. And it’s not living currently right now. Like right and right, specifically right now with you and I chatting, Michael, there is no fear right now. He’s only connection and because of couldn’t reconnecting because of the love for humanity.

**Michael Hingson ** 18:35
I do watch the news every day. But I do it because I want to know what’s going on in the world. And I can do that. Without fear. I’ve, I’ve learned I’ve read enough to understand the need for conversation to understand the need to connect. And so for me, what is just amazing is how many people have forgotten how to do that. I mean, but I grew up needing to connect. And I was taught how to do that by my parents. And I think that’s extremely important. And I wish that we taught it more today than we do.

**Lino Martinez ** 19:09
I love that you can do that. Michael, I think I’m not in a place in my life where I can listen to negativity, negative news, and then it not come with me and kind of start steering me in a negative in any direction. So I that’s where I’m at right now. And mostly because my mother, I’ll give you an example. My mother watches the news every day. And she’s so she gets in that negative loop. She’ll be like, Oh, don’t do this, because this or there, oh, there’s this killer going around, or you’re this and this might happen. And I just I have to tell her sometimes I get very short temper and I say you know what, you need to stop watching the news. So that really scares me away from watching and if she if she was able to deviate from from not being so absorbed about it, and I saw more of the positive aspects of it. I probably would watch it or listen to it a little more. But for me personally, I tried to see your way as far as I can

**Michael Hingson ** 19:59
I fully understand that. And for me, as I said, it’s it’s a source of information. But if I start letting it get to me, whatever it is, then that’s the time not to watch it anymore. And very frankly, I love having a good part of the day where there’s there’s nothing going on my wife passed away last November after we were married for 40 years. So it’s me in the house. And I have a person who helps part time. But I value silence. And I think that we really need to value and get more of that. Because, again, if we don’t have that silence, then we don’t spend any time thinking and becoming analytical and really reflecting on our lives and what we need to do to improve and so on. I

**Lino Martinez ** 20:51
agree with you. I love being in silence myself, and I do it very often.

**Michael Hingson ** 20:55
Yeah, it’s, it’s valuable to do, we don’t always need to have something going on. And and you know, I will have something on I’ll have I collect old radio shows as a hobby. And I also listen to internet stations that do radio when I listen to other things as well. But if if I’m going to have something on, it’s going to be reading a book or listening to old radio shows, and I will watch news for a little bit during the day. But it’s not something that is a major driving force that I have to do. And certainly I’m not going to let it affect me. But I have control over that. I have control over whether I let it affect me or not. Which is the point?

**Lino Martinez ** 21:35
Definitely. That is the point. Exactly. Yeah.

**Michael Hingson ** 21:39
So it really works. works out well, I think. I hope so anyway. So does does fear, however talking about fear like that does fear serve a purpose.

**Lino Martinez ** 21:54
I believe that fear steers you in the direction of what needs healing and what needs attention. And it really depends also on the type of fear, if it’s a fear of something of being attacked of your wellbeing, perhaps that’s more of an intuition for safety. And if it is, but if it is a fear based on emotions, that can be a really good indicator of things that need attention to, for example, Shadow Work, or things that need to be released. Things that need attention in order for you to progress yourself as a mind, body and soul in this one human life that we’re experiencing. So fear definitely has a purpose. Well,

**Michael Hingson ** 22:36
and if you’re afraid of something, like fear of being attacked, and so on, it really is important to spend a little bit of time looking at why do I feel that way? And that’s what most of us don’t? Do we just live in the fear rather than living in the real cause? Or what can be the real result. We don’t look at that.

**Lino Martinez ** 23:04
I love what you said that why do I feel this way? This? I mean, not that many people ask themselves a question, as you said, they just live in reaction.

**Michael Hingson ** 23:10
Yeah, it’s all about reaction, isn’t it? It is it really, it really is. And it’s it’s unfortunately, getting a lot worse. We’re getting a lot more reactive and things that we do look at drivers today. I am absolutely ready for the time. Some of your people are going to hate me for it. But I am absolutely ready for the time when we have fully operating and running. Well, autonomous vehicles because I think it’s high time to get the hint driving out of the hands of drivers.

**Lino Martinez ** 23:37
That’s coming soon. coming very soon. Yeah, it’s

**Michael Hingson ** 23:41
gonna come pretty soon. It’ll take a little while yet, but drivers are just not being responsible at all. And I’ve been in the car with many people who are driving and they complain about people on the road and people who have the road people who just pass them I was in a vehicle going to an airport. And all of a sudden this motorcycle actually, I guess it was only one past past us and the the driver said I cannot believe what just happened. We were in a lane. There was a car next to us. And this motorcycle threaded its way through and the driver said there had to be no more than an inch on either side. But he was in a hurry. And he passed us on he was really moving quickly and pass us I’m going to give me a break. Why? Yeah,

**Lino Martinez ** 24:28
the rage. Something anyway, impatient in this.

**Michael Hingson ** 24:33
Yeah. And it happens all too often. Well, how did you get into this whole idea of thinking a lot about fear and making that kind of a basic part of what you do and what you think about and what you practice in psychiatry psychology.

**Lino Martinez ** 24:51
Well, the reason I got into fear was because of my fear whether or not I was going to live with this genetic disease whether or not I was going to make it and I realized that I had fears, constant fears, fears of the female that I was fears that I wasn’t being authentic fears that I had this disease that I was going to die young everything was fear, fear, fear, fear, fear. And every time I overcame an obstacle, AKA a fear, I realized, oh, one less fear, or one less fear, one less fear. And every time there was a less fear I had, I started to gain a momentum of more happiness and more joy, and more in realizing that there actually is a way to succeed in life. And I don’t mean a diploma, I mean, to succeed in life into finding growth, personal growth, expansion and opportunity within yourself.

**Michael Hingson ** 25:39
And so you, you have made that a mainstay of a lot of the things that you do, needless to say, Oh,

**Lino Martinez ** 25:46
yeah. And then even even recently, is going through somewhat of a separation with my girlfriend, we’re looking a little separated mode right now. And even in the separation mode, a lot of fears that I wasn’t faced with before were coming up, it’s been about a month. And these fears that I haven’t been faced with ever. Because before, when I separated with somebody, I think maybe the type of separation that I had before I it was just a different period of my life. And in this period of my life, I started to feel, having these emotional fears that I hadn’t experienced before such as I’m unlovable or I’m not deserving of love. Or where did these fears coming from? Why am I feeling these things? That’s not true. These are untrue. All these fears that we tell ourselves, none of it’s true. We’re all deserving and we’re all worthy of love. So where do these fears come from? So I’ve been digging into a lot of these fears and how I’m feeling and trying to break through them, get past them, so that I can continue to grow on on the path that I was before the relationship, but it’s really posing a lot of obstacles in which I am overcoming because today I can smile. And two days ago, I couldn’t. So yeah, it’s fears present themselves in many different ways, shapes and forms.

**Michael Hingson ** 27:05
How do you work through it? How do you how do you work yourself to get beyond some of those fears?

**Lino Martinez ** 27:13
Well, I write a lot. And I think a lot and I meditate a lot. And I write a lot of poetry. And in my poetry, I can give you an example. Poetry really helps me and I can read to one of my poems here. It helps me discover what is inside me, and what I’m fearing and what what it where is there light. So a poem that I wrote last night it says, The dim night lights up with the full moon ready for a fresh start and a new beginning, emerging after a rebirth was necessary. And I still feel the heat of your breath on my skin, the way our love emerged after an Eclipse of the Heart. So when I write it releases, fears, it releases stagnant energy within my body, and I’m able to then see things in a different type of light, and also meditating. I mean, I do spend a lot of alone time I do take a lot of baths. And in this alone time with baths I symptoms, I listened to meditative hertz frequency music to heal myself. And I do self affirmations starting with the I am statements I am love, I am worthy. I am deserving and then moving up from after I am I feel I feel worthy, I feel loving I feel deserving. Moving up from feel you go with I do statements I do believe that I am worthy. I do believe that I am love moving up from I do too I love I love myself I love unconditionally means note when you love unconditionally, Michael, that means that you love with no with no conditions involved meaning that you simply just love for loving, it’s because love is not a transaction. So I go with I love my mother I love myself, I love my friends. I love this bathtub. I love right now. After I love I move up to my throat chakra and the throat chakra is the speaking that I speak. And so when I say I speak words of love, I speak words of unconditional love, I speak of worthiness I speak deserving. After that I go to I see I see love all around me, I see happiness all around me I see joy. Then after that I go to understand, I understand I understand that I am deserving. I understand that I am love. I understand that I’m unconditional love. I understand that I can give the same love to everybody else that I give to myself. And so when I when I move up my body with all of these statements, it brings me into an alignment and realizing that I’m okay, I’m okay and I’m going to be okay.

**Michael Hingson ** 29:49
And none of that is conceived at any way. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with loving yourself and loving other people. As long as If you are truly loving, I mean are plenty of people around who are conceited. I’m the greatest thing in the world. There’s a difference in saying I’m the greatest thing in the world and believing it from a philosophical standpoint. Yeah, it’s just amazing how, oftentimes we miss some of the very things that you’re talking about, which I think is great that you’re able to go through that process. And really love and respect yourself and come out the other side better, much better for it. Absolutely,

**Lino Martinez ** 30:32
yeah. Because if somebody comes with the, with the attitude of I’m the greatest thing in the world, there is still there’s actually some fear attached to that not love. You’re saying you’re the greatest thing of the world, that means that you aren’t any lower than anybody else. And there’s somebody saying they’re not lower than anybody else, they’re already having fear that they could potentially be lower than someone else. And if that were to happen, they wouldn’t be the greatest thing in the world. So when it comes from true love, there’s no judgment attached to it. When you just say I’m unconditional love, I means I love myself without any conditions. And in doing that, I can see everybody for who they are without any conditions.

**Michael Hingson ** 31:07
Right? And that’s the real point. Isn’t it? Unconditional? Exactly,

**Lino Martinez ** 31:12
exactly. Because when it’s not unconditional, you’re trying to control the situation so that it matches what’s going to make you happy. And in that case, it ends up being manipulative.

**Michael Hingson ** 31:21
Have you ever read a book called it’s a little book, The greatest thing in the world is Love by Henry Drummond? No, but I gotta get this. He’s a British philosopher. And he was a, I think he was with a group. And they asked him to talk about I forget how it started, I think they asked him to talk about love. And he, he took a Bible and and he read a couple of lines from Ephesians, and so on. And basically what he did, was lectured for about 15 or 20 minutes, and it got written into this book. And there are other lectures in there as well. But that love is the greatest thing in the world. And there is a lot of evidence to prove that. And the people who truly love and who truly are willing to love are going to be the ones who recognize that first, as long as they live by it. Of course, he talks about God, and that’s fine. Because that’s all part of it. Because that’s where the love originally comes from.

**Lino Martinez ** 32:28
Exactly. Yeah. And you know that, that sounds amazing. It sounds like a little book that I’m gonna have to definitely, yeah, I think also right now, you mentioned God, I think that a lot of people steer away from when they hear God because they think that God is a human being rather than an energy, rather than a force of energy. So when I think of God, I think of the universe I think of higher consciousness, I think of all that unites us, because we’re all universally connected, and we can all communicate telepathically and we do. And that is where the true essence of God lies, higher consciousness.

**Michael Hingson ** 33:05
And we’re all part of it. And it is all part of us, God is part of us. And we are we are, we are all part of the same thing. And it’s so unfortunate that we, we miss that a lot of organized religion tends to not really teach some of those things. And I went to a church and attended for years. And the pastor said, you know, people are at this church are really great at knowing about spirituality, you’ve they can intellectually talk about it. But as far as being spiritual as far as really having that true, emotional relationship with God, they don’t. I

**Lino Martinez ** 33:49
agree with you. And that is because of organized religion that is more of a control factor, rather than rather than free will.

**Michael Hingson ** 33:57
Yeah. I hope that that somewhere on the line, we can get beyond some of that. And I think we will. I don’t know what it will take Michael. Go ahead.

**Lino Martinez ** 34:09
I feel it’s headed that way. Yeah, we’ll get there. Yeah, because what I’ve noticed, mostly on social media, actually, well, there’s a lot of almost said the word kids, but I’m gonna say kids, because people in there, like it. If I see people in their 20s to eat, I mean, to me, they’re very young and but these young minded individuals in their 20s I’m noticing a very spiritual and a lot more spiritual than I was in my 20s. I wasn’t spiritual at all. I didn’t I wouldn’t God, what are you talking about? God, I’m not I’m going to hell, I’m a sinner. These people. Yeah, they’re not thinking like this anymore. I’m seeing the evolution happen. And so it’s an evolution and it’s really beautiful.

**Michael Hingson ** 34:49
It is and I think it will continue. I think that people are and young people are going to be leading the way are discovering that there’s a whole lot more to The world then all this hatred, and I hope, it won’t take overly long for some of those people to get into positions to stop some of the nonsense that we see all around us. I was fortunate my, my father was very spiritually oriented. And we had a lot of conversations about God. When I was growing up, I did some with my mother, but my dad was really the one. And he was a great thinker about a lot of those things. So I was blessed by having someone who encouraged having strong relationships in terms of loving myself, but loving God and recognizing that God is in all of us and what God is. I

**Lino Martinez ** 35:42
love that. Yeah, it’s really important to have these discussions with with your children definitely helps them open up and feel things differently and expand their mind and not close up their heart or, or their mind

**Michael Hingson ** 35:54
what we’ve talked about a little bit, but maybe you could define a little bit more detail, what really is self loves. Since we know it’s not being conceited, and all that stuff.

**Lino Martinez ** 36:06
It’s a really good question. So self love can look different to everybody. My personal experience, self love came from accepting who I am, and who I’ve become and who I am becoming. And also comes from forgiveness, forgiving your past forgiving past pains, and learning lessons. And when you can learn the lesson and forgive the pain forgive the past. You gain love, and you gain joy. And self love is also joy. When you find what brings you joy, what makes you laugh, what helps you connect with other people. That’s all self love. Self love is also spending time with yourself alone time, or even talking to yourself, doing things that you love to do not what other people love to do, but you yourself, what do you love to do. And also telling yourself, you love yourself. And this can be really difficult, especially if you’re having a bad day. And I can tell you because I had many bad days last month after this separation. But I keep at it, Michael, I’ll keep at it. And I’ll keep telling me so before I go to bed, I love you lino, I love you. And even if I say with tears, or a knot in my throat, I’ll still keep adding, I’ll keep telling myself because I know that inside I am loved and that God loves me. And if God loves me, why wouldn’t I love me. And so it’s just a constant reminder, a constant push, that we are made, we’re made to love. We’re here in this in this life, to love ourselves, and to give the same love to others. So self love can look as as beautiful as learning how to grow within, as even eating something that you love, or even learning something new, a new activity, doing something healthy for yourself. Even the people that you hang out with, who are you hanging out with self love looks like hanging out with people, that increases your peace. If people are not bringing you peace, it’s probably time to move around, move that energy around, refocus on who brings you peace and what’s going to bring you peace. And when you start bringing peace to yourself, peace will start navigating towards you naturally.

**Michael Hingson ** 38:13
I liked the way you you put that and that you talked about peace because we we oftentimes go down these rabbit holes and we don’t come back to wait, what’s going on? I’m not feeling peace. I’m not feeling confident, or I’m not feeling certain. Why is that? And going back to recognizing what it was like yesterday when I did feel all of those things. I

**Lino Martinez ** 38:39
love how you said that. Again, asking yourself these questions is so important to be asking yourself these questions because you will get an answer a lot. Oh, you don’t. And then there you go. And you know what, Michael? That’s self love right there. Self love is asking yourself questions. Start a relationship with yourself, I can tell the audience’s if you have not done this yourself, and you don’t know where to start. You can start by having conversations with yourself sitting in a quiet space and seeing what comes through the what kind of answers comes to your mind when you ask yourself these questions. That’s spending time with yourself quality time with yourself. And that’s self love as well.

**Michael Hingson ** 39:11
I love to tell people that. You know why. As I mentioned earlier, my wife passed this past November after 40 years of marriage. And as I tell people if I misbehave I know I’m going to hear about it. So I have to stay on the straight and narrow you know, leave it for two years and marriage is a great thing and I still value everything that we had and as far as I am concerned really do have. So I know that if I misbehave in some horrible way I’m gonna hear about it somewhere along the line. I’m sure you will. That’s all I need. So you know, I’m not going to say I’m living in fear because of it. But, you know, it’s it really is love because I know what we had and why we had it. and maintaining that mindset is really so important.

**Lino Martinez ** 40:04
It really is my thank you for sharing. So

**Michael Hingson ** 40:06
you talked about people talking with themselves and really interacting with themselves. What other advice can you give to help someone who maybe wants to start really learning more about themselves.

**Lino Martinez ** 40:23
If somebody wants to learn more about themselves and doesn’t know how to start, where to start, I do I do recommend journaling. And I know it sounds cliche, but it’s it helps so many people helps millions, billions of people to journal even if you’re not a good writer, you don’t have to be a good writer. If you’re you can even speak it in your notes. You don’t have to write you could just speak it in in your phone and just kind of keep a memorandum is that the right word? memorandum? That’s fine. Sure it works of of your personal journey and start asking yourself questions, start giving yourself the opportunities to for different choices and things in your life. What have you been interested in your life that you haven’t done yet? Well, you know what, I really, I want to take this road trip here. I’ve never done that before. Okay, well, let’s, let’s put this let’s write this down. Let’s talk about this. What is this road trip feel like? Well, what would it signify for me, oh, that I stepped out of my comfort zone, that I was able to be exploratory that I was able to see different a different path and meet new people. And perhaps maybe even now, I want to move to a different city, because I travel I mean, there’s just so much expansion when you start coming up with these ideas within yourself. And so I would first start with journaling, because so much comes out of it. When you start to journal and talk to yourself and ask yourself questions and come up with these ideas. Creativity will be your guide, creativity will be your North Star, your navigation tool. And we all have an inner navigation star, we all have this north star within us. And it wants us it wants to navigate us, we just have to ask, we have to ask it’s as easy as asking.

**Michael Hingson ** 41:52
Well, and I think that the whole issue of journaling also means go back and read it. And and think about what what you’ve written to.

**Lino Martinez ** 42:07
Exactly. I’ve left myself a lot of memo notes as well. voice notes, and I’ll go back and and listen to this Oh, today, I wanted to do well. But you know what, actually, Michael, what I did last night, I was cleaning out my office. And I found some notes of some things that I wanted to accomplish this year. And that’s another thing that I can recommend for people as well getting to know yourself and getting to know what you want to do. Give yourself some and you know, I try not to say the word goals, because there tends to be a lot of negativity with gold, what if you don’t reach your goal, there might be some fear in that. So rather than reaching a goal, just write yourself stuff that you want to do and make it sound that easy stuff that I want to do. And if you don’t do it, that’s fine, because it’s just stuff. But either way, if you get the stuff done, and you can go back and reflect and say, Hey, I did that stuff. It felt great. And so I was able to go back and say, Wow, so far, it’s been six months into the year and I’ve done this stuff. And so far, I feel great that I’ve done this stuff, or that I completed this task. And so yeah, make it fun, have fun with it.

**Michael Hingson ** 43:06
The other side of it. And the other aspect that’s worth considering is you took some notes, you wanted to do this stuff. And you look at them in six months, you didn’t do some stuff is also scared to go. Why didn’t I do that stuff?

**Lino Martinez ** 43:22
Yeah, right. Yes.

**Michael Hingson ** 43:25
And it doesn’t necessarily have as you said, I mean, it’s a bad thing that you didn’t, but why didn’t you? Were you afraid? Or was there really something else that came up, that was a more important bunch of stuff to do, which is also just as Okay, now, I understand the whole concept of the issues with goals. So just writing down direction and writing down ideas that you want to do is fine goals, that there there’s a place for goals and things that you have to do. But a lot of things aren’t goals. And so it is it is a fair thing to then say, why didn’t I do that?

**Lino Martinez ** 44:01
You know why like that as well. Because why didn’t I do that can lead you all kinds of different directions? It could You could even say, Hey, I never really even wanted to do that. I didn’t really want to do that, I guess. And you can even figure out if that’s something that you want to revisit and whether or not you want to try it again or just let it go.

**Michael Hingson ** 44:18
Try it gives you a discussion point, which is what it’s really all about, is I think really the issue, right? So there’s nothing there’s nothing wrong with discussing and you can talk to yourself. And as you said you will get answers. Yeah, that’s the other part about it. I think and it goes back to talking about God. You know, we talk about prayer a lot. Churches talk about prayer a lot. But the reality is God knows what we want. It isn’t so much that we have to tell God what we want, because God knows, but verbalizing it or putting it in some form for us. The other aspect of that is listening I’m looking for the response. And it may not come exactly what in the way that we think or how we think. But we should be looking for a response. And I say pretty much invariably, we’ll get the response somewhere.

**Lino Martinez ** 45:15
The response definitely comes to us. And if and one thing that I’ve learned too, is to not obsess over getting an answer, right, when you start to obsess over getting an answer, you create a resistance. And resistance holds up a lot of energy in your space. And when this resistance is holding up a lot of filling up your space with with tangled energy, you’re disallowing what’s supposed to come to you naturally. And so part of this is releasing a lot of a lot of resistance. And that that can be challenging as well.

**Michael Hingson ** 45:47
There is something to the old adage of watched pot never boils. Just Just sing. So I’ve learned that when I turned my tea kettle on in the morning, don’t stand there and wait for it to boil, go do other things. And when it boils, you’ll hear

**Lino Martinez ** 46:07
yes, absolutely. I love that. But

**Michael Hingson ** 46:11
there is something to be said for that. What is really is

**Lino Martinez ** 46:15
what a struggle taught you. struggle has taught me has taught me a lot, Michael. So when I was struggling and come again, I mean, I’m still in some struggle, struggling in some certain emotional parts of my life right now. And because just what I’m kind of just overcoming right now. But the struggle for me, when I did think of struggling before was me struggling physically in pain. But one thing that I learned and this is because I practice Buddhism for for about five years, and our monk taught us that just because you’re struggling or because you’re suffering, it doesn’t mean you have to be in pain. And when I when when he said that it really struck a beautiful chord within me. And it made me realize that hey, you know what, that’s my body is suffering, I am in pain, I do feel this, but but I don’t have to be in pain overall. Overall, I can think happy thoughts. Overall, there’s connection all around me. Overall, if I sit here within my with my true self, my inner being, I’m okay. And I’m going to be okay. And when you start to see and the the the eyes of seeing it, when you start to look at pain as an opportunity to transform pain into wisdom and love, you start to see that anything can be transformed. And so that is really what I learned with struggles struggle with struggling with a lot of pain and realizing that pain can be transformed, because pain is just energy. And all energy be can be transformed. And energy is not either positive or negative. It’s neutral. And so if I can transform it into something beautiful, wise and into love, why not choose the latter?

**Michael Hingson ** 47:56
Yeah. There’s, there’s no reason not to do that. You know, there’s there’s physical pain. And of course, as doctors and others tell us, pain is a warning, there’s a message about something with your body. But even that is a subset of the more general spiritual or emotional pain that we do have the ability to deal with.

**Lino Martinez ** 48:21
Right? Absolutely.

**Michael Hingson ** 48:22
Which is so cool. Well, you’ve talked about the fact that you value silence and so on what is silence taught you.

**Lino Martinez ** 48:32
So my value from being silent, came from when I lost my voice for almost three years. And at first, it was very difficult. But I accepted that there was there was a chance that I would never speak again. And when I accepted that, I started to go inward more and see more of within my own life, my own personality, my own wants and desires. And that’s really where the beauty started to blossom. It’s almost as if my higher self said, Hey, I’m going to shut you up and you’re going to be completely silent in order for you to go inside, within and really find the beauty within yourself. And once that silent really taught me to calm down, ease anxiety, be patient, and just allow things to unfold naturally. And that’s what silence teaches me even now when I am in silence, learn to appreciate the moment the solitude and allow the universe to naturally show you and unfold things for you because everything’s happening in a synchronistic manner.

**Michael Hingson ** 49:39
So you’ve been going through the whole business of having a relationship and it’s kind of stopped for a while and I don’t know whether that’s that’s permanent or not. But what what have you learned from that and also having silence again in your life like that?

**Lino Martinez ** 49:56
That’s a beautiful, beautiful question. Honest See, I really feel that I’m meant to be with this woman. And what for whatever reasons whether it’s trauma, whether it’s insecurities that caused us to be in this non-communicative. I guess the buzzword is ghost being ghosted. But I do feel that we have a really strong spiritual connection and that what we had was was very authentic. It was very soulful, spiritual, very loving, and whatever the separation means right now, at the moment, I can tell you right now that it means growth. Because I have grown so much in this last month going inward and going silent, I have meditated more than I ever have. I’ve taken more walks than I ever have. I’ve taken more baths by myself listening to meditative music than I ever have. And I was able to, in this just last month, really ask myself, where my fears were stemming from what if I never hear from her again? What does that mean? And again, asking those questions, Michael, what does that mean, right away, the fear will start to start to show up that I’m unlovable or I’m undeserving, but none of that’s true. But when did this support this originate? You don’t where it originated, and that I realized is growing up with alcoholic family. And growing up with an alcoholic family, parents are not usually present when that happens when when they’re drunk. So as a kid, I didn’t really fully have present parents emotionally. And so when somebody ghosts me, it started to remind me of my childhood when family members would ignore me because they were busy hitting the bottle rather than paying attention to their kid. And I started to realize this isn’t the same situation. And this isn’t true. And so in going that, I constantly have to rewind and say, and rewire my brain, and even go back to that timeline, and forgive myself for my survival skills that I that I had to go through in order to survive emotionally, and mentally as a little kid, and really gravitate towards learning how to feel safe within myself and not receiving the love that I needed as a little kid. But I so I mean, I’ve learned so much. And I wouldn’t have been able to admit this even just two months ago, because I wasn’t aware of it. So going silent in her goes to me, which is silence. And also me go see an officer and also me going silent with myself, I’m able to go inward and realize what needs healing. Because should I get back into this relationship? Or should I go into another relationship? I now know what needs attention and what needs work? And what what? What part of my body and mind, body and soul needs more love?

**Michael Hingson ** 52:35
Well, and if you really feel you have that deep of a spiritual relationship with her, do you reach back out to her or what happens? And

**Lino Martinez ** 52:43
that’s a great question. I was reaching out with her. Yeah, I was I the reason why. And the reason why we broke up, she literally told me that she cannot give me the same love that I give her in return. But then I started realizing that she could only be friends. And this was literally a month ago. But when that happened, I felt I felt a few things. And this all in all of this was solved all these answers came again from being alone. And this is why I want listeners listening to this. Whoever is going through a breakup. Don’t be afraid to go inward. When you go inward and ask yourself questions, ask yourself a million questions, you will get answers. And as much as it hurts, you’re gonna plow through it, and you’re gonna have incredible self discovery. So my self discovery, I realized, we’re, we’re all mirrors of each other. There are things aspects about you, Michael, that I have in common with, there’s aspects about anybody that I come in contact with, that I have in common with, we’re all mirrors of each other. And so when she felt that she couldn’t give me the love, and I’m I can’t speak for her because I’m not her, but I feel I can feel and what I felt at the moment as well, when she said that, and and she left I felt at that moment, Well, geez, that must mean that I’m undeserving, and I’m unloving. And then I realized, but wait, she’s the one saying that by saying she can’t give me the same love that I that I give in return. That message is the same message. She’s saying I’m undeserving, I’m unloving, and therefore, I can’t give you that much love. But I’m also feeling the same way. And so and I started to reach out to her shortly after the breakup within within a week, and it was text messaging, how are you and she was responsive. And I must have text within the last month, maybe about four or five times when she did respond. However, I finally realized two weeks ago, you know what, it’s time for her to reach out to me, because at this point, it’s not self love anymore. At this point, when you start filling up someone else’s cup and pushing them to communicate, you’re taking love away from yourself. And so I needed to go back and fill my own cup and because it was bringing me down, why is it me reaching out? Why am I always the one reaching out? Well, you know what, I also need to give her the benefit of the doubt that she’s also growing and that she’s learning and that she’s going to get stronger and that she does have the ability and the capability to reach out to me and communicate. I’m not going to give her I’m not going to doubt her growth is either and so I’m giving her the opportunity to come to me when she’s ready. And because I have no doubt in the love that we’ve experienced together, we didn’t have a toxic relationship. There were simple traumas. And whenever there’s trauma versus toxicity, you can work through traumas, you can learn to love each other, and through love, grow and expand and understand where there needs more attention.

**Michael Hingson ** 55:19
Yeah. And the reality is, of course, that the love that she gives you is different than the love that you give her anyway, because you’re two different beings. And then that’s a matter of figuring out how to blend those. And clearly, that’s part of what you’re hoping that she will work on an hour, or come to realize, and then you’ll be able to get back together.

**Lino Martinez ** 55:42
Absolutely. Michael, and I’m not going to deny that there’s been thoughts recently Oh, it’s been two weeks since I reached out should I reach out but there’s there’s this nagging voice inside me that says allow her, give her she she is strong enough, because in me doing so there’s a lot of things that I’m that I’m not allowing, I’m gonna allow a not allowing her to grow. If I come in and keep and keep kind of like intruding into these unspoken energetic boundaries. And in doing that, it’s also manipulative in a way even though it’s not intended to be that way. It’s hang on a minute, I’m feeling bad. I’m feeling sad. Let me get a hold of you. I miss you. Rather than you know, what, how about I trust the situation and trust that we’re both growing and that there’s still love within our distance? Yeah.

**Michael Hingson ** 56:26
And hopefully it works out, you’ll you’ll figure it out. I have no doubt about that. And the right solution will come along whatever it happens to be.

**Lino Martinez ** 56:35
I believe that, Michael, thank you.

**Michael Hingson ** 56:37
What other advice might you have for anyone else who may be suffering or feeling challenged in one way or another?

**Lino Martinez ** 56:45
It’s such a good question. Because so many, I mean, everybody, there’s so many so much suffering going on going on in this world. Yeah,

**Michael Hingson ** 56:51
don’t watch the news. I know. But

**Lino Martinez ** 56:57
you know, pay attention to, to your feelings. Because all your feelings are messages. And as negative as it can feel, and is in as daunting as it could be. It can always be turned into something beautiful, even grief, even in the grief of losing someone, there’s always beauty in grief. And when you can turn pain and sorrow into beauty. That’s where all the magic starts to happen. And don’t give up. There’s no reason to give up. There’s, there’s also people need to understand that there’s no failure. At all, there’s only clarifying things in this world, you can’t fail, there’s only things that are constantly showing you clarification. And also Success is not final. And also failure is not fatal. So as long as you know that Success is not final, you’re going to always be striving for to do something else or feel something else. And that’s okay. There’s a flexibility of flow of life and ebb and flow. And just like the ocean waves, they come back and they back and forth. We’re the same way the same, that same beauty that Earth possess we possess within ourselves.

**Michael Hingson ** 58:08
I think it was in the Henry Drummond book that I mentioned one of his lectures, he talked about the fact that teachers can teach a lot of things, but really the only person who can teach you is you. You’re your own real teacher, everything else is information or concepts, but you have to teach it to yourself. And that has taught me to learn to realize that, in fact, I am my own best teacher, I have now learned not to say I’m my own worst critic anymore. I always said, I didn’t. And I don’t journal a lot as such. But whenever I give a speech, I reply to record it. And then I can go back and listen to it and improve. And I’ve realized that it’s not being my own worst critic. It’s my faith and my recognition that I’m my own best teacher, I get to listen to it, and hear what happened. And I can go on thinking, could I have done that better? Was it as good as it could be? Or how can I make the best part even better? And that’s only something that I can do. No one else can do it. So I am a firm believer and I my own best teacher.

**Lino Martinez ** 59:14
I totally agree with you. I love I said that. How can I make the best better?

**Michael Hingson ** 59:19
Yeah, I love it. And maybe the answer is it’s as good as it can possibly be. But it’s okay to ask yourself. Yeah, absolutely. Which is what it’s really about. Well, this has been fun. But if people want to reach out to you, and learn more from you, I don’t know whether in the things that you do. Do you work virtually or just in person?

**Lino Martinez ** 59:43
Do I work virtually

**Michael Hingson ** 59:45
doing you’ve got a doctorate in psychology do you do and do you have any kind of practice or do you coach or teach people?

**Lino Martinez ** 59:50
Yeah, actually, I’m a professor in psychology and there you go. This fall I’m teaching. It’s called psychodynamic theory. And so I’m not teaching right now in the fall. I mean, I’m sorry, in the summertime, we actually did teach the summer but summer session ended a month ago. So right now I’m podcasting full time, I’m doing two interviews on one interview, I’m sorry, two interviews a week and releasing two episodes a week. And so I’m pretty busy doing that. And I love it. And I also write poetry. I’m very busy on social media. And I’m just, I’m just keeping my my mind and my mind, body and soul occupied.

**Michael Hingson ** 1:00:28
If people want to reach out to you, or, or learn about you, how do they do that? And building the podcast, and so on? Yes,

**Lino Martinez ** 1:00:37
all of my information is all this stuff. Everything’s on my website at WWW dot a little less fear.com. And if you’d like to email me with any inquiries, that’s a little less fear@gmail.com

**Michael Hingson ** 1:00:51
be ubiquitous ever present Gmail? Yeah. Well, and there’s, there’s a lot to be said for a little less fear. So I really appreciate you pushing that and really promoting it, I think we need to have a little less and a lot less fear. And the more that we can do that, the better. We’ll all be for it. So I want to thank you. Again, lino, lino Martinez for being here. So I almost did it. But I really appreciate you coming and being with us today. And hopefully, things will go well, you need to keep in touch and let us know how things go. And if you want to come back and do this some more, then we really would appreciate that. And I am looking forward to being with you later in the month.

**Lino Martinez ** 1:01:36
Michael, I would love to keep in touch and be on your show. Again, thank you for having me and for allowing me to speak my truth. I really appreciate your presence. And I look forward to having you on my podcast. Well,

**Michael Hingson ** 1:01:46
thank you. And for those of you listening, if you’d like to reach out I’d love to hear your thoughts about this. Please email me at Michaelhi at accessibe a c c e s s i b e.com or go to www dot Michael hingson H i n g s o n.com/podcast. Wherever you’re listening, please give us a five star review. And as I’ve told Lino, and I’ll mention again to all of you, if you know of anyone else who we ought to have as a guest, or if you’d like to come on unstoppable mindset. I believe everyone has stories to tell, and has things to say and I want you to come on and talk with us and tell us your thoughts. So please do that. Reached out. Love to hear from you. And we will we will move forward and connect. And so one last time again, Lino, I really appreciate you being here with us again today.

**Lino Martinez ** 1:02:33
It’s been an honor and it’s been my pleasure. Thank you, Michael.

**Michael Hingson ** 1:02:38
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