Episode 101 – Unstoppable Entrepreneur and Successful Transformation Expert with Daniel Mangena

It is so enjoyable and refreshing for me, and I hope you, to hear from a wide variety of guests here on Unstoppable Mindset. Our guest this time is Daniel Mangena. Daniel had what he says is a normal and somewhat boring childhood with no major events along the way. Even so, he grew up to be quite a thinker and person who likes to help transform lives as you will hear.
 
Daniel talks with me about choices and how we are the ones who most of all limit our life and other choices. He uses, as an example, the story of Roger Banister who was the first person to run a mile in less than four minutes. Wait until you hear what Daniel says about that.
 
Like many of our guests, Mr. Mangena offers many good nuggets of wisdom and life lessons we all can use and that can help us anchor ourselves to a better and richer life.
 
 
About the Guest:
Daniel Mangena is a successful entrepreneur, best-selling author, podcast host of Do it with Dan and Beyond Success, a life & business transformation coach, and an international public speaker who is known for programs and content that take clients and students to next level living. He has helped thousands of people across the globe achieve wealth mastery and truly abundant lives.
 
 
Featured on CNN, CBS, FOX, the Jack Canfield show, and in Forbes and Entrepreneur magazines, Daniel’s mission is to spread his teachings worldwide with the intention to “spearhead an evolutionary uplift in universal consciousness by awakening people to the importance of their unique role and enabling them to manifest their dream life”.
 
How to connect with Daniel:
FB – https://www.facebook.com/thedreamerceo
Linkedin – https://www.linkedin.com/in/dreamerceo/
IG – https://www.instagram.com/danielmangena.official
Youtube – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMdAvGk6xa5fptmdULliJrg
Twitter – https://twitter.com/dreamerCEO
Podcast – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/do-it-with-dan/id1381226331
 
 
About the Host:
Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.
 
Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children’s Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association’s 2012 Hero Dog Awards.
 
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Transcription Notes

Michael Hingson  00:00
Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I’m Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that’s a c c e s s i  capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we’re happy to meet you and to have you here with us.
 
Michael Hingson  01:21
Welcome once again to unstoppable mindset. Glad you’re here with us. Thanks very much for for joining us. We hope that you enjoy our episode today. We’re going to have a lot of fun with it one way or another. It’s all about having fun, and it’s all about being educated. Daniel, welcome to unstoppable mindset.
 
Daniel Mangena  01:40
Thank you for having me, Michael, very excited to be here and dive in.
 
Michael Hingson  01:45
Well, so we’re a little jealous. You’re down in Cabo San Lucas, where you live for a good part of the year. That’s no fun.
 
Daniel Mangena  01:54
I just escaped the summer heat. Well, that was really funny. This year, I escaped to Europe thinking that it will be cooler. And actually it was infinitely more hot because of the heatwave. So I was to die. I was still dying from heat, but it’s so good.
 
Michael Hingson  02:08
Well, at least you’re here. And that’s always fun. Yeah. Well, let’s, let’s start a little bit, I know that it’s fair to say you’re a best selling author, you’ve got your own podcast, you talk about a variety of different things. But let’s start a little bit before that. So tell me a little bit about you growing up and what life was like and anything else that you want us to know. And the things you don’t want us to know. Tell us those anyway, too.
 
Daniel Mangena  02:33
Yeah, so I don’t really have the early on sub story that some people might have. And I don’t say to stop story to a throwaway line. I mean, it you know, some people do have stories that are really quite sad, you know, I didn’t have an absentee parent, I didn’t have any alcoholism or drug addiction in my family. It was actually quite a normal, middle class upbringing. But what actually happened is, I create some success quite early in my life, and unfortunately didn’t have the the experience and the know how to keep that which I created and ended up making and losing to multimillion pound fortunes by the age of 23. And falling into quite deep, dark place of depression. And it was a really dark place I found myself in. And what ended up happening off the back of that was that I got the gift and the gift was learning why Why create couldn’t stay. And also learning to be a nicer human being from the humanity of my experience. And what I get to do now is to empower people to take the pain of what I went through through a lot of that, and to create an abundant, joyful, purpose driven life for themselves as they go through life today.
 
Michael Hingson  03:46
So how’s that working out for you?
 
Daniel Mangena  03:49
We’re having fun loving life, we’ve got to say,
 
Michael Hingson  03:51
that’s, that’s great. So how long have you been doing what you do now?
 
Daniel Mangena  03:57
Since 2018, actually isn’t my first. So we started the podcast in March of 2018 or so about March. And I did my first event the 15th of July 2018. And since then, we’ve now helped literally 10s of 1000s of people around the world through the content that we put out through the podcasts, maybe more than that, through social media. And you know, people from literally all walks of life and all parts of the world.
 
Michael Hingson  04:25
Do you also do any kind of courses or other kinds of things that people can relate to? Or? Yeah, that helped people
 
Daniel Mangena  04:32
to do this? Yeah, we do do this. We do some stuff. I’ve got my next alchemy of abundance. In person workshop. We’re starting here in Cabo. In a couple of days at the point of recording this, we’re doing the next one, the 31st of March to the second of April, and we’ve got some programs. micromillions is our signature program that takes people really through this journey of creating a life of abundance in a way that really honors their natural gifts to the natural flow. And what they want to live their life to do.
 
Michael Hingson  05:03
So what did you do before you were doing this?
 
Daniel Mangena  05:05
I had a consulting business. I started that in 2000. And God Lord, when did I start quarter four, I started corner for consulting 2005. I think 2000 14,005. That was a business that I took to, you know, quite a lot of success that I ended up losing, I really rebuilt it up again, probably starting about 2011. And then I closed it down in 2018 to 13, February 2018, closed it down to come and do what I do now. But since then, I’ve gone back to doing a little bit of consulting to do some of it on the side.
 
Michael Hingson  05:43
What did you do before you were consulting?
 
Daniel Mangena  05:46
Before that I had entrepreneurship by businesses and those the ones that I built up and lost when I was younger, and money, man 38. Now, my first big business when I was 19. And then another business round, 21 loss at age 23. Built up off the back of that. And proof I’ve never really had, I worked in a cinema when I was about 15 for a summer. And then when I was rebuilding, or around 2011 2012, I had a job in a call center for six months just to cover the bills while I was building up the business.
 
Michael Hingson  06:23
So you didn’t do college or anything like that.
 
Daniel Mangena  06:26
I did a year of college, I never finished my degree I did one year exactly one year of university, I took a gap year that’s lasted 20 years. That’s a good gap year that’s lasted 20 years. Finally, though,
 
Michael Hingson  06:39
I think there’s a lot to be said for what you learn in the College of life, as opposed to just going to college. And that’s kind of what I hear you saying it’s, it’s all about what you learned, and then how you deal with it.
 
Daniel Mangena  06:54
Yeah, and also, I think it really comes down to what your goals are. I mean, if we go back to the original, you know, the old school, where college and universities really, really stepped up and started, they had a purpose. And that was really preparing people for specific roles in society. As that level of education sort of moved out to more people, that became a little bit more, a bit more varied. And when you look at the benefit, especially for the amount of debt that you need to go into, in America, for example, to go, I mean, when I did my degree, it’s about three grand a year, maybe including your accommodation, and you could get a student loan for some of it. Now the costs have gone up, I think it’s about 10 to 20,000 pounds a year, depending on on where you go, and what city that you’re in for your living costs and so on. But you know, people in the US, you guys go into six figures of debt, or for a degree and you have to ask yourself, Is this degree me following a formula that other people told me that I should follow? Or is this contributing to what I want to create for some of us, it’s going to contribute to what you can kind of create. For some people, the experience of going to university is a big part of who then growing up and maturing as a person, you think it really should be case by case and you having a personal relationship to that choice, versus I’m going to go and do a degree just because that people told me that’s what I’m supposed to do.
 
Michael Hingson  08:14
I remember when I went to the University of California at Irvine, which is a long time ago, I started there in 1968. And registration was I think, $273 a quarter. But I remember my dorm room and I had a single room was $1,200 a year. And that was room and board and all that. And of course $1,200 wouldn’t buy you anything anymore. But yeah, it’s it’s it’s grossly expensive. I do think there is a value in college for the for those who can go and I think that you hit it on the head, a lot of its maturity and a lot of us learning and learning to get along with people. I do think that sometimes we tend to get molded and not always learn to think as, as as creatively as we can. I would hope that college teaches more creativity. But I know that in some places it doesn’t and for some students it doesn’t. And the reverse is also true.
 
Daniel Mangena  09:20
Again, I think it’s just what are my goals and this is what I’m I’m really big on intentionality and intentionality is a big part of what we do and what we support people in creating for themselves. But when I have a level of intentionality behind what I’m doing, I can start to look at what actions are going to support me getting to the goal that I that I want to get to. If for example, you want to be a medical doctor, you’re gonna need to get you back to college. If you want to be in construction, you may not need to go to college. If you want to be in business. Yes, you can go and get a business degree and go and get an MBA. But I can tell you that for the most part. The people who are going to be teaching you about business probably haven’t run a business and getting there and getting your Getting your feet, your toes wet and actually just going out and trying, and getting support and mentorship and guidance from in the field is probably going to be better for you. But it really does come down to who am I? What do I want to create? What is my goal or intention? And does this choice actually lead me in that direction?
 
Michael Hingson  10:17
How do we get colleges to teach that concept to enhance what they do? Because that would clearly enhance what they do? I think we don’t teach intentionality. And we don’t always necessarily teach as much as we could about taking people through that process.
 
Daniel Mangena  10:37
Yeah, but I mean, colleges and universities, businesses.
 
Michael Hingson  10:41
Yeah, that’s true.
 
Daniel Mangena  10:44
People hang let’s ease people in.
 
Michael Hingson  10:48
But it doesn’t mean that they can’t. But it doesn’t mean that they can teach people to be creative, I don’t think it necessarily means you’re going to talk somebody out of going to college. But rather, what you’re doing is teaching them to be more intentional about what what they do in college,
 
Daniel Mangena  11:02
I think it’s going to come down to it’s going to come down to the institution, their intentions, their goals. I know, for example, a friend of mine is dear friends with with the dean of a university, that potentially is going to be giving me an honorary doctorate, which is always always fun. And I know that for a fact, that particular institution is really committed to the excellence of their students and for bringing out the best in their students, someone like that, for example, probably would be open to ideas about that, if you’ve got sort of a, a churn and burn institution that really just cares about getting that tuition fee, they’re probably you’re probably not going to be able to convince them at all. All that being saying that the approach to getting the university to, to look at these alternative approaches to get the most out of their students really, I believe is going to come down to does the university does the institution actually care? And if so, then can we collaborate with them based on that care, so that they can actually be open to ideas that are going to support them, and then sharing in a way that they’re going to understand?
 
Michael Hingson  12:01
Yeah, it all comes back down to relating to people and to individuals, and it is different for different people. One of the things that society in general doesn’t do, and colleges are certainly part of society is that we don’t necessarily nearly as well as we could address, the issue of dealing with people who are different or dealing with differences among people, we talk about it, we do some of it, but we don’t really do nearly as much of it as we could.
 
Daniel Mangena  12:31
But again, I think that really comes down then to really comes down to, to your goals, your intentions, what you’re looking to create. And then if you’ve got that nailed down, then you can start to plot a path to where you want to want to get to I think far too many people are just running around with no intentionality with no direction and wondering why they don’t actually get somewhere. That’s my personal experience and witnessing.
 
Michael Hingson  12:59
Yeah, well, I think that’s, that’s very true. We also have, I’m gonna I’m thinking specifically of the category of people who happen to be blind or very low vision. The problem is that most of us are still taught. If you’re blind, you can’t do anything. And so we’re not taught how to be creative, and how to be intentional. And to really set goals and create a mindset. I could call it an unstoppable mindset. But to create a mindset you could create, to create a mindset that says, I’m going to really figure out how to do this, go for it, and make it happen. And, and also be willing to accept setbacks along the way, but still, intentionally getting there. And I and I think that that’s part of something that’s not just true for blind people, but for a lot of people, we don’t teach people that they are really a lot more able to do things and they think or to win, we might as well use it to be on they’re not as nearly they don’t learn to be as unstoppable as they can be.
 
Daniel Mangena  14:12
So here’s where I sit with with that one. There’s a universal or one of the universal laws, the law of vibration, and the law of vibration states that we can only operate in terms of answer to the same level of the question. And so when we look at things like the the was it the one minute the 10 minute mile or the five minute mile, I can’t remember which one is probably a five minute mile, whatever it is all the 10 So I think
 
Michael Hingson  14:50
it was originally the Yeah, I think it was originally the four minute mile formula, which is the one Yeah, I know where you’re going. Go ahead.
 
Daniel Mangena  14:57
So everybody was awkward. Eating on the basis of the belief that you couldn’t do the mile run in less than the four minutes, assuming that we’re right. And so everybody was operating on that belief. Everyone was coming from that place. And nobody was was doing this. Now, the second that somebody stepped up and broke that four minute mile that it became the norm. Yeah, that the level of ability that people had to meet that new opportunity, that new outcome was presented, and more people than were able to go and create these four minute mile situations.
 
Michael Hingson  15:33
Yeah, it was amazing what happened after Roger Bannister did it and then suddenly, everyone everyone could do it figured out, they could do it. Because people even said to him, when he said he was gonna do it, you’re gonna die, you can’t physically do it physiologically, it’s.
 
Daniel Mangena  15:48
And again, their ability to see response was limited to their questioning, they were questioning from the perspective of, oh, I can’t this is what’s wrong. This is what’s not possible. These are my limitations. When we look at people who are in society, who are facing the choice as to whether they’re going to stick with AI or whether they’re going to move forward. They as individuals are the only one that can be responsible for what’s going to happen, if we’re waiting for society to step up and say, I’m going to empower you, if you’re waiting for the Dean of the University to say, I’m going to give you the tools, we’re always going to stay stuck. I would invite anybody who’s listening to this episode, who has anything in their life that they’re being told from outside of themselves, or even inside of themselves? That they can’t do it? Just to play with the question? What would happen on what would it look like if I did? Not even to say, I’m going to do it I have to do I’m certain I can do it, just to toy with the idea? What would it feel like? What would it look like? If I did actually do this? What could that look like? All of a sudden now, where we’re operating from changes we’re no longer operating from I can’t, we’re suddenly operating from a maybe. And one of the things that we teach in the work that we do is all that you need is a maybe to open up the doors of possibility, to new opportunities to new insights, to new inspiration to new evidence from outside of yourself, and maybe then a new outcome.
 
Michael Hingson  17:15
Yeah, it is, it is about getting people to move to that maybe or to move to the CI, maybe this really is possible, or I ought to really explore that better. And as I said, unfortunately, too many people are taught way too often, that you can’t do that, and they don’t go beyond it. And that’s where it really gets to be an extremely unfortunate occurrence in life that so many people have just decided, or have been taught for so long that they can’t do more than they do, that they, they believe it and it becomes a very hard wall to break through.
 
Daniel Mangena  17:57
And this is where podcasts like your stories like yours, these give people that opportunity to have a new choice. But the choice has to be made as an individual. Yeah, we can’t, we can lead that we can lead the masses to the well. But we can’t make them drink, you know, and, and part and parcel of My journey has actually just being okay with playing that role of bringing people to the world. But at the end of the day, anyone who’s depending on someone or something outside of them, to get them over the finish line is never going to get there if you want to. Or if you’re feeling a desire, a feeling within you to go and create a beast and do something different, then there has to be a desire within you to actually do the work to get there. And to follow through and make that happen.
 
Michael Hingson  18:41
Do you think there’s room for mentors in a person’s life and coaches to help them?
 
Daniel Mangena  18:46
Not only do I think there’s room for it, I think it’s an a completely imperative part of the process. I spend multiple six figures a year on my personal development, multiple, six figures. There’s always coaches, for me, healers, mentors, guides, I was on the call with one of my coaches earlier. And even if it’s a skill that I think that I’ve got down, I still look to be guided and mentored in that in everything, every part of my life and business. Because, you know, I always joke that, you know, I’ve never seen my own backside. I’ve never seen my own face. I’ve seen a picture of it. I’ve seen a reflection of it. I can see the video here. But I’ve never actually seen my own physical face. A man has never seen his own faces and backside. How can he think that he’s going to have everything worked out about about his life, there are always going to be blind spots and having guidance, guidance, having leadership having coaching mentorship is what’s going to enable you to see those so that then you can have the data and have the insights that can support you in following through on that decision that you’ve made to move through and create something different.
 
Michael Hingson  19:50
Yeah. Those people, those individuals who mentor and coach you clearly are people who are helping to open your mind to possibilities, and I think you’re right, all of us need mentors, all of us need coaches. What about spending time just by yourself being more introspective? Like one of the things that I advocate is every day, people should take a few minutes at the end of the day and just stop me even when they’re lying in bed. Think about what happened today. What worked, what didn’t work? What did I do? Well, why was it well, and could I have done it better, and what didn’t work and all that I’m a firm believer in introspection, and I used to use the words, I do that because I’m my own worst critic. And I realized that’s not the really, that’s not the right thing to say, it’s, it should be, I do that, because I want to grow. And I’m in the best position possible, if I truly do it, to take that information, and learn from it.
 
Daniel Mangena  20:52
I mean, I’m a firm advocate in journaling has been a really great practice to use in your day. I’ve got particular prompts that I use in the morning, and in the evening, just to reflect on what I’ve created. Because, you know, we’re talking about personal responsibility, in terms of, you know, showing up for ourselves and so on. And if I’m not taking audit, then how am I going to know the impact or the effects of the choices that I’m making, so that I can cause corrected, and continue to move forward in a positive direction. So yeah, taking that timeout, and engaging with that, in that time in a way that’s going to work for you, and it’s going to serve you I think, is imperative. But certainly, recognizing that if you’re not taking score, it’s gonna be very difficult for you to stay on point and stay on target and get to your end goal.
 
Michael Hingson  21:37
Yeah, much less even. Figuring out what your end goal ought to be. You’ve got exactly got to take the time to do it. Yeah. I, since September 11, I have spent a lot of time talking about the fact that I created a mindset, where I wouldn’t be afraid. If an emergency happened. Of course, if something happened, where I couldn’t do anything about it, then I probably wouldn’t be here. But otherwise, I created a mindset that said, you know, what you can do in an emergency, you know how to do it. I learned all about the World Trade Center and such things and spent a lot of time regularly going through different things that I learned and always asking if there’s more to learn. But I didn’t realize at first that I had created a mindset. But then when September 11, happened, the mindset kicked in, it was just an automatic thing that allowed me to focus and help others and help me and keep my guide dog focus as we went down the stairs and doing all the things that needed to be done to successfully escape from the towers. And as I said, of course, at any time, the building could have come down, and that wouldn’t have been anything I had control over.
 
Daniel Mangena  22:58
So what can we control? What can we look?
 
Michael Hingson  23:00
Right? That’s right, and we’ll get to them. But but the thing is, I developed the mindset, but I never really started talking about how others can develop that mindset. And what I’ve come to realize is, it really started with a concept that was on subconsciously or unconscious to me at the time, I was saying, there’s no need to really have such a blinding fear that you can’t move beyond it, that you need to use fear as a tool to help you focus on heightened senses. But if you become as I call it blinded by fear, then you’ve given up and you don’t have a way to move forward. And so we’re getting ready to write a book, actually, we’re started writing a book, we’re looking, I’m looking at the first draft of it now. We’re calling it a guide dogs Guide to Being brave, because we use dogs throughout the book to talk about what they go through and what people go through and so on. But it’s all about teaching people you don’t need to be blinded by fear in unexpected situations you can be to use your words intentional about being able to move forward and developing a mindset that allows you to cope with things you don’t expect.
 
Daniel Mangena  24:09
And recognizing, accepting and understanding there’s always going to be things that you don’t expect. That’s like, that’s life life has got stuff that’s going to show up, there’s going to happen that you don’t understand that you’re not ready for. There’s always a tower that can come down on you physically or metaphysic or metaphorically, but it’s do you hold on to your guide dog, whether that is a physical dog, whether it’s a mentor, whether it’s a book, whether it’s a podcast, and allow that to be the support for you because the guide dog can lead you out, but it can’t walk for you, your coach or your mentor, your your your your guide, they can give you the tools but they can’t make you use them. We still have to step up and do that ourselves. Well, it’s
 
Michael Hingson  24:53
even more subtle because a guide dog doesn’t lead and that’s what most people say and you know, not picking on you for the terminology but what a guy dog does his guide that is to say, it’s not the dog’s job to know where to go and how to get there. That has to be my job. And my job is to direct the dog. So I will tell the dog when I want the dog to go forward or left or right, the dog’s job is to make sure that we walk safely in the process. So we are a team, we each have a job to do to make the team successful. But the reality is it is a team. And the last thing, in fact I want is a dog that thinks it knows where I want to go. So for example, at the World Trade Center, I spent hours and this is one of the ways that helped me, I spent hours trying to walk different ways to get to the same point just so the dog wouldn’t get in the habit of going one way to get somewhere because what would happen if that way, were blocked by fire or something else. Now, doing that in a in a building or complex of buildings is a little bit challenging, because there aren’t that many ways to get from point A to point B. But even if you have two or three and even if one is instead of going up an escalator, and walking through the arcade in the middle of the World Trade Center, and then going into Tower One, which we did or another time going on the fourth level down through a parking lot and up an escalator right into Tower One, or sometimes going up the escalator to the arcade and then turning left, walking around a little bit. And then going back the bottom line is what I didn’t want the dog to do was to get into the habit of knowing where to go, because that could be a dangerous situation. And it’s my job to know where to go and how to get there and then instruct the dog command by command. And I think that’s sort of the same thing, in a sense that you’re really talking about, the individual has to be the one to consciously make the choice and learn the information necessary to make a conscious good choice.
 
Daniel Mangena  27:03
We need to have the tools and the resources to do what’s going to move us forward. But I think it’s even more potent in that the guide dog doesn’t guide it supports in Go.
 
Michael Hingson  27:14
Because if you have a guide dog guide, but but it doesn’t lead,
 
Daniel Mangena  27:18
leave this one sorry, the great fig, right? Because even when you’re looking at having a coach or having a mentor having a think they can’t live your life for you. And if you’re waiting for them to tell you, then again, you you’ve given your power away. So it’s actually even more beautiful, that the guide dog guides and doesn’t lead. Yeah, it makes the point even more.
 
Michael Hingson  27:39
You mentioned and I think we both kind of mentioned control a little bit. One of the things that happened to me after September 11 Was I kept hearing people say, We got to get back to normal, we can’t, we can’t stay the way we are, we got to get back to normal. And it took me a long time to realize that when I felt anger or frustration over that, it was because the reality is normal would never be the same again. And we can’t control going back to something that we’ll never be able to do again. So I guess they’re really two questions. One is getting back to normal. And we always change and we’re going to do that. But the other thing is, we stress ourselves by worrying about so many things over which we don’t have control.
 
Daniel Mangena  28:26
Well, I’ll tackle the first bit first, in my opinion. So I like to refer back to nature and in nature. If at any point something stops growing, that’s when it’s dead. We as humans, when we die, something stops functioning, or if we die of old age, what happens is the telomeres in our DNA strand stop replicating. And therefore we lead to expiry, that’s literally what happens. A plant that stops growing dies. And so when we say go back to normal, that’s assuming that things are not growing and changing much to your point that if they’re not growing or changing them, they’re dying. So if we are at the same place of normal, then we’re on the road to degradation. And so because of that something that’s in a healthy space, healthy growing space is never going to be the same same, because it’s always going to be move forward. So if we’re looking to move back into space of degradation that’s never going to be supportive. We want to be looking forward to Okay, based on the new information I’ve learned today, going back to what I was discussing earlier about reviewing at the end of the day, based on what I love based on the new things that come into my experience, the new input, the new skills, the new challenges, new questions, the new things have been uncovered. How am I going to approach tomorrow from a grown expanded place? Because we are looking for probably this control, we want to go let me go back to places familiar. So that can try and control things. But control is an illusion. And then when we look at the net, you know another big thing that’s happened in our lifetimes, which is you know, it’s a pandemic that is reportedly coming down to a close or whatever. I think one of the reasons why so many People are thrown into disarray is because they realize just how little control that they actually had, within a very, very short period of time, a lot of illusionary ideas of control was shown to be just that were shown to be illusions. And that’s something that people struggled, I think to deal with. But control is an illusion, what we do have is creative capacity. But once the balls rolling, once those things are turning, it’s what do I do with what’s shown up based on what I can control, which for the most part is only me, my reactions, my choices in terms of Hamelin respond to something and my preparedness to deal with things that may or may not show up in my life. Yeah.
 
Michael Hingson  30:41
And the problem that we have is that we think we can control everything about us. And so when we don’t have control, and we get that rude awakening, from time to time, we get very frustrated rather than going, Oh, why am I even worried about that? What am I going to be able to do about it? I’m in politics, for example, and politicians are always trying to control us through fear. And they don’t have that control over us unless we let them. Likewise, we can’t control what they do other than to step back in the case of the United States. And the House of Representatives, for example, every two years, we can decide whether this person is best representing us or not, and then say, you’re welcome to stay or go away. That’s the control that we have. But we we don’t have a lot of the control that we think and there’s so many other things, people are talking so much about climate change. In this country, it’s discussed a lot in this country, we talk about inflation, I’m sure that’s something that happens. Most places, the reality is a lot of the factors relating to that we don’t have any control over. But we’re allowing ourselves to be made to be afraid, by people who are just as clueless about that, but they want to blame somebody else rather than recognizing we don’t have control over those things. How do we deal with what we have control over?
 
Daniel Mangena  32:18
I mean, in the US, for example, is a democratic country, what you’ve got is you’ve got the voting booth. Right? And then you’ve got discernment in terms of listening to people who haven’t had a track record in leadership, or provided results or even, I mean, a lot of career politicians, or parts of the world. You look at their track record, what did that what have they done since they’ve been in office? Besides a career politician? They made promises and been voted into different offices at different points in their career? Have they actually been in integrity to those two points? What are they have they shown up? If you’re going to get lost in return, you can get lost in, you know, at the height, which happens, I think, a lot in election cycles. Oh, yes, you know, the hype and all of the things, then that’s where your power was your power was in was right there in who you voted in. If once someone’s voted in, you’re not going to do anything about using your voice in the voting booth or whatever. A lot of people don’t bother voting, it doesn’t change anything. Anyway, what you saying is, look, they’re all the same. Okay, well, then find someone that’s not the same. But not every person is the same.
 
Michael Hingson  33:28
Yeah, right. Well, and true. And yeah, you know, I hear so many people saying, well, why trust this guy, he speaks my language. That’s not the issue. The issue is, what is he really done? What can you point to about this man or this woman? Not what other people say, but what has he really done or not done? Or the new person who wants to come in and says, I’m going to make all these changes? The issue still is, what have you done to demonstrate that you can do that don’t talk in generalities gets
 
Daniel Mangena  34:06
not only what, what have you done? To say you can, what have you done to demonstrate that? You will?
 
Michael Hingson  34:13
Yeah, that’s a good point. Absolutely. That’s a good point. How do we know you’re going to do it, you have to convince us or we should create that mindset. And ask those questions. I think that’s really the issue. You’re internationally right now than worrying about all the things that we can’t control, we need to become more intentional about the way we vote.
 
Daniel Mangena  34:36
That’s one thing. That’s one thing. I was speaking to somebody a little while ago, and he was saying, you know, he’s creating disruption in entrepreneurship. They said when a lot of these social issues were coming out what he did was he said, Okay, guys, I can talk about the social issues, but that’s not going to change anything. Instead, what I’m going to do is we’re going to make the voting day, a paid day off in this company, so that you You can actually go and do something real, we’re not gonna sit here and talk about it and create division in the workplace, you have a way that you want this country to be run, head over to the voting booth, go and get involved in your local community, go and do something, read about it, and I will give you a paid day off to do that. And that’s what he’s doing instead, that, I think is a powerful way to approach
 
Michael Hingson  35:20
things. Yeah, you’re giving people the opportunity, and you’re sending a strong message, go do it. Mm hmm. Which, which makes a lot of sense. So as people are pondering when we talk about intentionality, and we talked about looking at what happens every day and analyzing what you do, some people might call that meditation what what do you think about the the idea of meditation? Or is that meditation? Or what do you think about all that?
 
Daniel Mangena  35:49
Meditation, for me is a tool to get into what scientists have measured to be a meditative state. That’s literally the brainwaves in your brain operate in a certain speed. And that shows that your brain is then functioning a certain way. Now, not everybody gets to that place through the same medium, some people will try different types of traditionally taught meditation, some people can play a sport or go for a walk or spend time in nature, spending time with a loved one, spending time and just general science, it doesn’t necessarily require sitting in lotus position. So there are many different ways to get back to that place. And I think that people should find the way that work for them, rather than looking at the cookie cutter approach to what they believe is going to actually work to get them to that place.
 
Michael Hingson  36:33
I took a course while in college on Transcendental Meditation. And I think that there’s a lot of value and what it can offer. But even there, that as as people said, it’s all about getting to a particular state of consciousness. And it’s a way that can be very successful. And a lot of it has to do with taking your mind out of just thinking about the typical day to day things that go on in your world, and giving yourself the the opportunity to relax. And, and to get to that meditative state, if you will, which is what we don’t do. And, you know, we have, I don’t know whether you’ve Have you ever read read the book 10% happier? No, I’ve not read Dan, who used to be on Good Morning America. He, he wrote this book called 10%, happier, because he got involved in meditation. And one of the things that he talks about in the book is, there’s more than one way to meditate. But And meditation is really all about getting to a particular state of consciousness and getting to the place where you can back off from the typical day to day things, especially those that you don’t have any control over.
 
Daniel Mangena  37:51
Which again, so many of us are just caught up in what we’re scared of what we don’t want, what we want other people to do what we want from other people versus what is it that I actually desire to create, and what can I do here and now to support my movement towards that? And then doing it?
 
Michael Hingson  38:07
Yeah. And at the same time, if you suddenly discover well, maybe I need to have a course correction. That’s okay, too. Great. We don’t tend to do nearly as much as we could about do do court doing course corrections.
 
Daniel Mangena  38:28
Yeah, but coursework correction often means moving outside of the known moving into the unknown. Sure, nothing moving beyond what feels safe and comfortable. And that’s not what we as humans often do, we’re often looking for the easy way out, because,
 
Michael Hingson  38:46
well, that’s the society we taught. We taught that.
 
Daniel Mangena  38:49
Yeah, but guess what, there is also available information for another way to do things. And we have to take responsibility for what we do. I mean, this information that this conversation is going to be out in the wild, right? So people have the opportunity to have an E, an E shop, you know, conversations like this that are happening, there are literally millions of pieces of content out there probably have a positive nature. But if I’m going to be focused on the negativity or fear and doubt and anxiety, then how am I even going to be available for different kinds of input? And it’s only my responsibility as to whether I’m going to tune into the uplifting expansive one or get lost in the negative side one.
 
Michael Hingson  39:32
Yeah. And what we need to do is to really be curious enough to go look for them again, and that gets back to the whole college discussion. I think that way too many of us in what we do we expect somebody just to give us the answers, and we don’t tend to be nearly as curious as we ought to be. I remember when I was just a child living in Chicago, before I was five, my father owned a business to repair televisions that was back in the days when you unplug vacuum tubes and you put in new ones, or you replaced a picture tube or you smelled a burn resistor and you replaced it and the TV worked again. And I would go with him occasionally. And one of the things that he said is, don’t put your hand inside the TV. And I didn’t necessarily deliberately do that. But I remember one time when I got shocked, because I put my hand on something. And I’m, as I sit here and think about it, I think it was an accident, I
 
Daniel Mangena  40:44
don’t think I was going well, what why can’t I put my finger in there? What’s going to happen? But I learned what an electric shock was all about.
 
Michael Hingson  40:52
And that actually made me curious more than anything else. And so then he showed me a TV that was not plugged in and discharged. But but I used it as a learning experience. And and I was curious to understand what it was all about. But I think we tend to not grow up to be as curious as we ought to be. There’s a lot of validity. And when somebody says, Well, why that you say why not? You know, there’s nothing wrong with that.
 
Daniel Mangena  41:25
When it goes back to we were talking about earlier, when we spoke about about people’s challenges in the law of vibration that if I’m only asking for thinking from a place of why not? What can’t happen, what’s not possible that those are the only quality of answers that I can get, I can only get the quality of answers that matches that level of inquiry.
 
Michael Hingson  41:44
Right. Right in but you know, for somebody who says, Well, why why should we do that? And then my response is still why not explore something new? Mm hmm. Which, which makes perfect sense. Tell me what what you think about or know about things like the law of attraction.
 
Daniel Mangena  42:06
Law of Attraction is not a primary universal law. It’s a secondary universal law. So primary universal laws are the ones they’re like elements. And then you’ve got compounds which form the secondary laws. So the actual primary law against a from which the law of attraction is is drawn is the law of vibration that we’ve been speaking about, which is like attracts like, basically, we experienced what we’re a vibrational match to, and thought is one of the components of, of that vibrational match, you’ve got emotional state as well. So I think, in my opinion, the law of attraction has become popular because it feels like the easy way out when actually fully operating to the primary law really means a complete overhaul of what we’re doing in terms of how we show up in the world, what we’re thinking, what we’re feeling, the actions and choices that we’re making, because all of those things encompass our vibration. And once we are vibrationally aligned to a particular outcome, the law of attraction kicks in. And we find ourselves being attracted to and being and things been attracted to us that match that state of that state of being that we’re in. And so your attraction is real. However, it is not a primary law, it’s a secondary law. And it’s not more work than people have been led to believe that it is, in my opinion. Yeah.
 
Michael Hingson  43:20
A lot of it has to do with vibration. And when we, when we aligned vibrations, we are also projecting that whether we realize it or not whatever our vibration or our state is, we do project it. We one person on this podcast a while ago, talked about an experiment that someone did with plants. And when people projected a more positive image in their own mind, the plants reacted differently than when they thought about killing the plant or pouring hot water on the plant or digging the plant up. There was a noticeable difference in the way the plants and what they did were through measurements, actually how they were behaving was all done simply mentally.
 
Daniel Mangena  44:18
I mean, thought is real thoughts have ideas can be measured. They can be measured, they can be weighted, there’s some substance to it. And if we honor that, and, and bring a level of intentionality to how showing up with our thoughts and emotions, we’ll start to see that measured things showing up in a measured way in our physical life every day.
 
Michael Hingson  44:38
One of the things I think you do is you encourage people to manifest money. Tell me about that.
 
Daniel Mangena  44:44
Yeah, I mean, I’ll be quick about this because we’re running low on the clock now, but I’m okay. I mean, if you’re okay, no, I’ve got I’ve got something. I’ve got something afterwards. We had a lot of people come into our world that wanted to create new license ourselves. And time and time again, what we’re finding is that people were using that they don’t have enough resources to live that life, it was more concerned with people living a life that was joyful, that was contribution contribution, that nourished and filled them and had meaning. But this excuse of resources kept coming up. And so the move to going a lot more deeply into supporting people around the money was twofold. Firstly, if people have resources, they have less space for that excuse. And secondly, the playbook for creating our reality is the same across the board, there isn’t a different playbook for creating different relationships and creating money and creating health. It’s the same playbook, but our perspective creates a distorted lens that gives the illusion that all of these playbooks are different, right. And so when we have a measured playing field, that we can develop the skill of manifesting what we want, then we can take that skill, take that level of mastery and start to apply it to other areas. If I tell you, I’m going to help you be happy, we can’t really measure that maybe we can have you fill a form in or check your emotions, but your emotions can change second, a second. But if I say here’s a playbook for you to bring $100 into your account, and it works, then you know, it works, when you know we’ve had people that we’ve taken to be millionaires to be being financially free to having six figures to pay off their debts and all sorts of things. They’ve got a measured result, and they’ve gone on a journey with that measured result that they can go and take and apply to other areas. So it’s not because I think money is more important than other things. Because when we have resources, we’ve got more choice number one and number two, when we’ve got a measured journey that we’ve gone on, of learning to create a life for ourselves, we can take that skill and apply it to any part of our life.
 
Michael Hingson  46:44
Money is a great resource and visible item that people can use to discover that playbook. And of course, that makes a lot of sense that that’s one of the reasons you would use something like money as a perfect example. Because it is measurable. What is micro shifting?
 
Daniel Mangena  47:06
Micro shifting is defined as a consistent series of baby steps made in the direction of a consciously chosen outcome. That’s literally the dynamism of this definition. And what micro shifting is all about is recognizing that everybody can make big leaps. They can, but will they are but everybody can make baby steps. Everyone has the capacity. So we’ve all got the potential for big leaps, big Quantum Leap, but everybody has the capacity for baby steps. And we make when we make those on a consistent basis, we can always get to that end goal no matter how big it is.
 
Michael Hingson  47:36
So you’ve written how many books now, from time
 
Daniel Mangena  47:39
to time dream is manifesto for books.
 
Michael Hingson  47:43
Gotta go figure him out again.
 
Daniel Mangena  47:45
Hello books. I’ve contributed in a few more. I’ve had the honor of being in a book with one of my mentors, Greg Reed. I was in a book with Jack Canfield success and omics. I think that was last year, that book came out. I’ve contributed chapters to a few other books, but I have four of my own
 
Michael Hingson  48:00
four of your own. Well, I know that you don’t have a lot of time, it’s getting late and in time to do whatever one does in Cabo. But how can people reach out to you and learn more about what you do and perhaps contact you and have a chance to visit?
 
Daniel Mangena  48:23
Definitely get head over to dreamwithdan.com dreamwithdan.com. And we’ve got a really cool resource, we’ve actually got a quiz that we developed, that helps you to discover what your block to abundance is, and gives you some resources to actually move through those. So head over to dreamwithdan.com. There’s a lot of free resources, including that quiz that they can go and have a go of in there. And just let us know how you get on.
 
Michael Hingson  48:45
Can they? Can they contact you through that site? Or is there a better way
 
Daniel Mangena  48:48
that they can always contact through the website? Yeah,
 
Michael Hingson  48:50
so dreamwithdan.com? Well, I hope people will do that. Have any of your books I always ask this when people have written books, have any of your books to your knowledge been converted to audio,
 
Daniel Mangena  49:01
yet, we’ve got stepping beyond intention, but we’re doing the re the RE release of that book right now that we got, I got a book deal early this year. And we’re releasing that book, when that book is re released, I will be personally re recording the audio books, I’m probably going to do that I’m stopping work in November this year. I’m gonna have a lot of time off. I’m looking to sit down in there and get that audio book re recorded.
 
Michael Hingson  49:23
Cool. Well be excited to to read it. And I know other people will as well. And hopefully, they’ll they’ll go out and find some of your other other books and that they will learn and I think we all will I found this instructive and inspiring. And I’m really glad that you came and we appreciate it. And if you want to come back on and we find more to talk about I would love that anytime you’d like to watch as well do it and what’s your podcasts so people can find you your podcast?
 
49:53
Yes, everything’s on the website. This is a really great sort of roadmap to everything but we’ve got Do It With Dan which is my motivational podcast. And we’ve got beyond success, which is my business podcast. But the links to that information about them and some of the guests that we’ve had both on the website drew with dan.com.
 
Michael Hingson  50:08
Cool. Well, Dan, thanks again. And we really appreciate you being with us. And for all of you listening, thanks very much, I hope you’ll give us a five star rating, I would appreciate it if you would give us a five star rating right now as we finish, wherever you’re listening to us. I would also be very happy if you’d reach out to me directly. If you’ve got any thoughts or comments. You can email me at Michaelhi at accessibe.com. And or go to our podcast page, Michael hingson.com/podcast. And of course, you know how to now get to Dan dreamwithdan.com. So Dan, is the website accessible? I should ask that Do you know?
 
Daniel Mangena  50:50
I don’t know. But it’s definitely something that I’ll be looking into having?
 
Michael Hingson  50:53
Well, we’ll talk about that. And we can we can talk about that and accessibe. Which is a great tool to help with that. But Dan, thanks again for being with us. We really appreciate it. And we hope to have you on again.
 
Daniel Mangena  51:05
Of course. Thank you so much.
 
Michael Hingson  51:07
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