Fear is shaping how our kids grow up, and it may be costing them their confidence, resilience, and hope. In this conversation, I talk with Iuri Milo, a licensed clinical social worker with over 20 years of experience, about what he is seeing firsthand in schools and therapy rooms across the country. We explore the rise in student anxiety and suicide, how fear-based parenting and constant digital input affect young minds, and why building protective factors matters more than chasing risk labels. Iuri shares how School Pulse was created after a wave of student suicides, how proactive text-based support is helping students feel heard before they reach crisis, and why confidence, connection, and mindset are essential for long-term mental health. This episode offers a grounded, hopeful look at how parents, schools, and communities can help young people develop an Unstoppable mindset rooted in courage rather than fear.

Highlights:

00:10 – Hear how Iuri’s work in therapy led him to focus on helping students and families.

02:22 – Learn how immigrating to the U.S. shaped Iuri’s resilience and outlook on life.

03:43 – Discover how missionary service helped Iuri build confidence and maturity.

12:13 – Hear what led to the creation of School Pulse after student suicides in the community.

17:20 – Learn why fear-based parenting may increase anxiety instead of confidence.

34:24 – Discover how proactive text-based support helps students before crisis begins.

About the Guest:

Iuri Melo is married to Katie, and is the grateful father of 5 incredibly cool children (Aydia, Elle, Jona, Kole, and Leila).  He is an LCSW of 20 years, and the Co-Founder of SchoolPulse.  Iuri is the published author of “Mind Over Grey Matter – Training the Mind to Heal the Brain”, and the best-seller for teens “Know Thy Selfie – Tips, Tricks, and Tools For an Awesome Life.”  He spent his 20 years as an LCSW in private practice, where he won several awards for his work, and developed a unique modality for his work with clients, “Adventure Based Therapy.”

In 2017 after a several teen suicides hit his community in Southern Utah, and at the request of a local principal, Iuri Melo Co-created SchoolPulse.  Since then SchoolPulse has become the best student support service in the country, proactively delivering optimism, positivity, growth mindset strategies, and the best positive psychology skills directly to students and parents over text, email, and through schools.  This innovative evidence-based service is not only inspiring teens’ lives, but also parents, and faculty.  SchoolPulse’s objective is to help students to perform better academically, socially, and personally.  “Everyday at SchoolPulse is a highlight reel of courage, kindness, and growth.  It’s amazing to see what a kind, respectful, and gentle interaction can do to heal and inspire our souls.”  

With more than 300 schools, in over 25 states, SchoolPulse is a tsunami of goodness that is flooding schools throughout the country.  It sounds a bit fantastic that Iuri’s vision of “blessing the human family” is happening over text, but indeed it is.  

Iuri’s sincere and enthusiastic approach can be seen in his VIDEOS which SchoolPulse delivers to students, parents, and faculty via text and email.  Iuri releases videos every week based on questions that teens have, and provides them with the answers they need to develop an extraordinary and growth minded psychology.   

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Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.

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chael Hingson  00:00

Ac Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I’m Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that’s a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we’re happy to meet you and to have you here with us.

Michael Hingson  01:20

Well, howdy, everyone, wherever you happen to be on this fine day, I would like to introduce myself. I am Michael Hinkson, your host here on unstoppable mindset podcast, and today we have as a guest, Yuri Milo, who is a Utah resident, and he is going to talk about all sorts of stuff. He’s got five children, and he is married to Katie, and he has been in the therapy and and other works for the past 20 plus years, has done a lot to really work with school children, and he’s going to talk about a program that he helped begin back in 2017 I believe it was. So we’ll not give anything away, because it’s more fun to let him do it. So Yuri, welcome to unstoppable mindset.

Iuri Milo  02:19

Michael, I am ready. We’re going to be unstoppable today. I have a feeling. So I’m ready to go down any one of those roads that you’re just discussing, including some other new ones that I’m sure you and I are going to carve through today. So Well,

Michael Hingson  02:33

I want to start with something in your bio, you refer to the fact that you have been an LCSW for 20 years. LCSW stands for

Iuri Milo  02:42

a licensed clinical social worker. So when you go to school, yeah, and you get your master’s in social work, then you still have to do some some work and some licensure. When you get about 4000 hours and two years into it, hopefully, and you pass the test, you got to pass the test, then you you kind of get that licensure piece, and that really allows you to then do kind of the individual work. And I have to say, it’s, it’s, it’s been a good experience for me. I definitely has been a blessing for myself and my family so and it’s just helped me to meet and to get into the nitty gritty of people’s lives, 1000s of people’s lives. And I’m just so grateful for that to be a part of that.

Michael Hingson  03:24

Well, let’s start a little bit and tell us about kind of the early Yuri, growing up and all that was a fun place to start. You know, at the beginning, as it were,

Iuri Milo  03:33

man, let’s, let’s go all the way back to the Genesis. So I actually was sure it’s kind of an interesting story. I don’t know a whole lot about it, because I was very young. But I was actually born in Mozambique, Africa, as back when it was a Portuguese colony, and then at the age of one, which, of course, I don’t recall, but I moved to Portugal, and grew up there until I was about the age of 15, and then came to America, right? Like the just like an immigrant story, and I moved to Provo Utah. My sister was attending Brigham Young University at the time, and and I didn’t have a whole lot going on for me by then, my parents had kind of divorced, and my mom suggested, you know, hey, why don’t you just, why don’t you go to America? I think there’s just more opportunity there. And I was fortunate enough to be able to do that. I came and finished up high school, then went to college, then did some kind of humanitarian religious service, which we’ve talked about before, too, Michael and and then went on and stayed with school, got my Bachelor’s, my master’s and, and here we are right. 20 years later, married five kids, just just taking life as it comes

Michael Hingson  04:41

well, and we talked about it a little bit, and I thought it might be worth asking so you, you did missionary work for the LDS church for two years. Tell us a little bit about that and how that affected you.

Iuri Milo  04:54

Mike, that was so meaningful for me, I just have to say I. In fact, I was just reading an article the other day specifically about boys, and I think it was talking specifically about how boys kind of have a tendency, or maybe for a little while, they’ve been lagging behind, just a lot of metrics, specifically to young women, right, who seem to be just succeeding, kind of an academic areas and and a lot of them are more engaging more in academic or higher education than boys are. And I think a lot of that discussion was about how young men are struggling, like young men are struggling to kind of progress. And I feel like for me, when I engaged in that experience. It was such a meaningful experience. My guess is that a lot of listeners don’t know, but basically, you’re kind of assigned to an area, right? And you go to that area and there you get to live with other missionaries, and you engage in service. I mean, it could be religious service. It could be other types of service, but really you just end up meeting and talking to 1000s of people from all walks of life, and that was such a coming of age experience for me. I feel like I left there with just a confidence that I didn’t have before that really kind of catapulted me forward into my life and into my relationship. So it’s amazing that I’m, I’m going to be 50 this year, Michael, and that was when I was 20 years old, when I did that. And it’s amazing that that experience still has so much sway and influence in my life. But it does. It was really a positive thing from,

Michael Hingson  06:40

where did you Where were you assigned? Where did you go? I went

Iuri Milo  06:44

to beautiful New Jersey, and I served in the lower half of that, all the way from kind of New Brunswick, North Brunswick, all the way down to Cape May and to Trenton and Camden and, oh my gosh, I have such fast you did. I did, yeah, it was just kind of, what you do, you kind of, you know, go through all sorts of areas which is just so fabulous, but, you know, I got to see just some absolutely gorgeous places in in Jersey, and also some places where there’s some really, some really challenging poverty, yeah, I just got to see and be a Part of all of that in those communities is really an enriching, deep, rich opportunity. So really grateful for that.

Michael Hingson  07:29

Yeah, and I think that’s the advantage of it, when you can truly go and experience it and experience something that’s different than what you normally experience or do it, it has to enhance, I would think your view of the world, and certainly how you you picture things, and I think that’s so important that you had the opportunity to do that.

Iuri Milo  07:55

Yeah, I agree. It was truly transformative. And I would even say, especially as I’ve gone into the field of psychology, I would definitely say that that two year experience was really formative, I think in my ability to make that decision into the future, it certainly created additional abilities and skills and definitely created some additional compassion and understanding in me. So it was, it was good for me. I hope it’s been good for others and but like I said, there’s so many cool opportunities that people can engage in. So you’re asking me about that?

Michael Hingson  08:32

Yeah? Well, you you went, you went and did that work. You came back and you went to college. You must have gone to college because you had to get a master’s degree along the way.

Iuri Milo  08:42

Yeah, I did. I jumped right back into college. Was motivated to do that. Performed better than I had before, which, which was great, too. So the that kind of service time was really good for me. I think it matured me quite a bit. And I jumped right back into it. You know, finished up my associates, got my bachelor’s and then my master’s. So it’s, it was, it was a good thing for me to do

Michael Hingson  09:08

what you get your bachelor’s degree in I got my bachelor’s in psychology.

Iuri Milo  09:12

I got my book in psychology with a minor in sociology, and then, gratefully, was accepted into the University of Utah and finished up my my Master’s of social work there.

Michael Hingson  09:24

Wow, so you’ve been in essentially the social sciences, psychology and social work, your your whole career.

Iuri Milo  09:32

Yes, I have, I have that was kind of one of the decisions I made, is once I kind of decided to go down that road. I wanted to get as much experience as I could, even working wise. I worked with like foster care agencies, I worked in group homes, I worked in hospitals as a social worker and a Care Center as a medical social worker. So I got a little bit of experience, or even in emergency rooms as well as a social worker there. So I got a little bit of a. A nice and extensive history in that, in that field, and but for the past 20 years, it’s really been in in private practice that I’ve really kind of done my work. And then, of course, the last seven with school pulse and starting up that that service as

Michael Hingson  10:16

well, what drew you to go into therapy and do what you’re doing.

Iuri Milo  10:22

You know, that was my final internship. When I was finishing up school, I was kind of in charge of finding an internship for myself, and I tried to pursue something that would pay me a little bit. And so I actually met up with a good with who became a good friend of mine. Was a local therapist here who said that he would take me on and let me do an internship there. And sure enough, I did. And so when I finished my internship and finished my year, you know, he basically offered me a position. Said, hey, you know, why don’t you stay here and help me to run this private practice, and you can do kind of the substance abuse, and you can work with kids, which were some areas that he kind of was hoping not to do. He wanted to transition and to do other work. And I was doing that actually at the same time that I was doing medical social work at a local Care Center. And then as I built my clientele in the private world, I just stayed and definitely the the money was better, especially once, you know, I was kind of able to go on my own and build my own practice. And so that’s kind of how I got into private practice. And once I started it pretty much stayed in, yeah, been pretty good. The rest is history as they say. Rest is history as they say.

Michael Hingson  11:39

So you so for the last 20 years, you’ve been in private practice. Why did you decide to go out on your own,

Iuri Milo  11:50

specifically with private practice? I mean, this is kind of a pretty usual arrangement, like, when you’re, you know, being interned, or you’re working for somebody else, for somebody else’s practice, right? There’s, we kind of have a financial arrangement right, where I was giving a share of my profits to that individual. And at some point I I tried to renegotiate that right. I wanted to kind of take less right or make more right. And at that point, my good friend, who’s still a good friend to this day, said, Hey, you know, I think you’re probably it’s time for you to go on your own. And I did. I kind of bit the bullet. Gave that a try, and it was pretty spooky, but you hadn’t thought about it. No, I hadn’t really thought about that. I just kind of wanted to renegotiate, and so I ended up doing that, and and then later on, partnered up with a few other people and really had a nice, thriving practice with multiple therapists and interns and even some nurse practitioners there who were doing some psychiatry there. And all of that kind of slowed down once I began school pulse seven years ago, and right now I’ve really got kind of just a small little private practice that I work in the afternoons and where I kind of do my private work, and then the other half of the day I spent trying to build this program and to promote it throughout the country.

Michael Hingson  13:15

Well, tell us about school plus pulse. You’ve read, you’ve you’ve mentioned it now a few times. So yeah, tell us kind of what school pulse is all about.

Iuri Milo  13:24

You bet I you know, we started that about seven years ago. We We actually had kind of a surge of student suicides here in 2017 where we lost about seven kids in our community to suicide, and good friend of mine, who’s a principal, whom I really respect, and I knew at that time, reached out to me, felt like all he really had at his disposal were just reactive tools and and so what he wanted to do was to find a way to be more proactive, to be more engaging, And to really prevent suicide, instead of just kind of passively waiting and then intervening once things have occurred. And that was really the genesis. That was the beginning. That’s where we started. And we started by creating this program that would proactively engage students, versus via text, and then to provide some feedback back, and we’ve grown now over the past seven years, where we now have an entire team of individuals that we proactively engage students via text we send them. We’ve created these incredible videos and activities that promote evidence based positive psychology, growth mindset and cognitive strategies to students. Our goal is to protect students, to give them or to feed them or to nurture them with the kinds of things that will insulate and protect them from student suicide, from depression and anxiety, and ultimately to help them to perform and to succeed in school as. Well, and so we provide text based support. We have these email campaigns that go out to parents and to students, and then we provide schools with the suite of services that help to promote student success and, of course, to prevent student suicide and other behavioral issues that they deal with the school. So we’ve kind of become this, what in schools or districts they call a multi tier solution. And that’s really what we try to promote or give to schools, is we want to come in to the rescue. We know they’re overwhelmed. We know that students have a ton of needs that they can’t meet. All those needs, and we want to come in and immediately provide a solution for them to address those problems and address those issues in a way that’s not burdensome to them so

Michael Hingson  15:49

well, why have there been so many teenage suicides?

Iuri Milo  15:54

You know, interestingly enough, you know, the CDC has, you know, put out some date or some some data specifically about that, and over the past few years. I mean, in fact, even our Surgeon General, I don’t think he’s actually our Surgeon General right now, but Vivek Murdoch suggested that the youth mental health crisis was the defining crisis of our time. And so all of these metrics, right, all the way from student anxiety to students feeling hopeless or persistently sad, or students who are having suicidal ideation or attempting suicide and completing suicide, those numbers all seem to be trending in the wrong direction, as far as to why that is. Michael, I would imagine that there’s more than one variable. There’s a book that I’m sure you may be familiar with, probably your your listeners are familiar with, as well as a book called The anxious generation. I think he has some pretty compelling data and information there, and he talks about two particular factors that I think are interesting. One, of course, is the kind of the meteoric rise of technology and cell phones in particular, not just specific to social media, but phones as a whole. And then, I think he actually talks about parents, particularly. He feels that we’ve become overly protective of our children, and in a sense, we have, we have we’re preaching fear more than we’re preaching confidence like encourage, right? So that’s something that I constantly tell people, is, send your kids out into the world with confidence, confidence that that they can succeed, but also that when they fail or when they go through difficult times like that, we’re going to somehow find a way to synthesize those experiences and for our good, right, for our profit. And so that’s those are some of the solution, or some of the things that I think have been mentioned as significant factors to that kind of youth mental health crisis that you’re talking about

Michael Hingson  18:03

well, so today we we see more instances where students, especially girls, but, you know, I think probably all, but especially girls are are Taken, they’re kidnapped, and so on and so parents naturally want to monitor them closely or closer, but that has its own problems, as you’re pointing out. How do you deal with that?

Iuri Milo  18:31

You know, interestingly enough, and I don’t have that data before me, I think those things are more visible, but I think what I would actually say is, in regards to that, and I think I’m kind of quoting Martin Seligman, who’s kind of the father of positive psychology, is when it comes to where our communities are, we’re actually safer than we’ve probably ever been like and I think so all of those things I think that You’ve just mentioned have all actually kind of tracked down. They are more visible, and I think as a result, parents have become a little bit more protective. But the actual data suggests that it’s all been going down. We’re actually safer than we’ve ever been, even though I think those things are more visible now than they’ve ever been from the past.

Michael Hingson  19:20

So Well, the problem is, of course, in part, that the media, when something does happen, they make a big deal out of it, and that helps to create a lot of the fear that I think people experience.

Iuri Milo  19:37

I think you’re right. I think you’re right. I think obviously the availability right? I mean the fact that this is plastered everywhere, in fact, when I’m when I’m talking to people who struggle, for example, with like an anxiety disorder, one of the things that I always tell them is you need to find a way to manage your input, like and when I say input, I just need the information that you have coming in. Because. If we’re constantly putting in the information that’s creating that anxiety inside of us, like that’s where we’re going to live from, it’s from a place of fear, instead of a place of courage and confidence, which I think is where we ought to be coming from. But and so if somebody right feels like they have those tendencies right to kind of be anxious, or to worry a lot, or to worship their worries. I always tell look, you need to manage your input. You need to manage that the information that you’re taking in, and make sure that you’re at least combating that right with some kind of optimistic and confidence building type language, so that you’re not just being driven by fear. We cannot be driven by fear like that’s like one of my goals, like, fear cannot be driving the car. Fear can be a passenger, but it cannot be driving the car. And oftentimes, when I see people in therapy, that’s exactly what’s going on. Fear is making their decisions for them instead of their goals, their objectives, their dreams, the things that they want to pursue and the things that are of value and so yeah, we ought to, I hope we can be teach. I hope we can teach that to our kids. Often.

Michael Hingson  21:15

We can teach it to our parents as well. I know that one agreed, yeah, one of the things that I decided to do when the pandemic began was to write a book about fear. And in part, that happened because in on September 11, I learned that we don’t control everything. In fact, we don’t control most things. And in fact, was given a message as I was running from tower two, I heard a voice in my head that said, don’t worry about what you can’t control. Focus on running with Roselle and the rest will take care of itself. And I had the sense that if I and my guide dog worked together, which is really something that most people miss, because they just think the blind the dog does everything, and the blind guy just tags along, which is not true, but if we work together, we would be fine. Well, we were fine. And so when I started to work on live like a guide dog, when the pandemic began, and the whole idea was to use the lessons I had learned from a guide dogs on my wife’s service dog, to actually help people learn about fear and learn that mostly fear is always about trying to worry about all the things over which we have absolutely no control, which is well more than 90% of all the things we worry about. And so we don’t just worry about the things over which we really influence. That doesn’t mean you’re not aware of the other things, but you don’t have to fear them, because you don’t have control over them, and all you can do is worry about the things over which you have control. And so I hear what you’re saying, and I understand it, and I agree with it, that so many people are just so fearful of so many things, and yeah, social media and other things don’t help. But still, ultimately, people need to learn for themselves that they have to focus just on the things over which they really have an influence and use the rest of what they experience as a vehicle to help them focus, to deal with what they can

Iuri Milo  23:25

Michael, that’s absolutely brilliant. That’s so inspiring. And I know you’ve told me a little bit about that. That’s just fabulous. It actually reminds me, and I’m sure that your listeners are probably familiar with the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, yeah. But I think Stephen Covey talks about that very simple, that very principle. He talks about this, the kind of our circle of control and our circle of concern, right? And if you can kind of imagine, right, there’s these two circles, right? It’s kind of a smaller one in the middle and then a bigger one around that one, and that circle of control is what you’ve just described, right? Is, is our ability, our ability, right, to influence things. And influence is such a key word because it’s not control, right? It’s not our ability to control things, our ability to influence things, but also to be aware, like you said, right, of that circle of concern, right, which is, you know, composed of what other people think, what they’re doing, their opinions, right? In fact, have you ever heard of the book by Byron Katie called loving what is man? That’s a good book. But anyway, she has a principle in there that I think you would enjoy. He said, she said, there are three kinds of business in this world. There’s God’s business, other people’s business, in your business. And she talks about, you know, how God’s business is, in a sense, like, I mean, she’s not necessarily referring to God as this. Like. Heavenly Father or heavenly being. But she’s saying God, as in, God’s business is just what happens around you, right? They’re just events or accidents or circumstances that happen around you. Of course, other people’s business, right? Is, is what they do. It’s what they think. It’s their opinions, it’s the things that matter to them. And of course, your business is what you’re doing. And so her, her concept, right? Is, take care of your business. Like, stop being in God’s business. Stop stop being in other people’s business. Because when you’re in those businesses, you’re not in your own business. And so I’ve always kind of liked that idea of minding your business, right? Not in a narcissistic or like I’m the only person in the world, type of thing, but learning how to take care of your business, and being in that place where you can have maximum impact and influence, but not getting caught up in that fallacy of control, right, where we end up not only creating A ton of anxiety for ourselves, but it really just having incorrect expectations of ourselves in the world around us.

Michael Hingson  26:08

Well, I remember when the World Trade Center events happened, and for so long afterward, I realized along the way that we didn’t have control over and we didn’t have any influence over the events of September 11 actually happening, and I don’t think I have yet to see a single piece of evidence that tells me that even if the entire United States government works together, which they should do more of anyway, but if they had worked together, that they would have been able to predict and stop September 11 from happening. But what we, each and every one of us, getting back to God’s business, other people’s business, and your business, getting back to that concept. What was true, and is true is while we didn’t have any influence and couldn’t have influence over the events actually occurring, we have total influence and control over how we deal with it. And I’ve seen so many instances where people go after the Muslim church. They go after one thing or another. They say these people are bad. And the reality is, this wasn’t a religious thing. This was just a group of thugs who decided they wanted to have their own way, and unfortunately, they functioned very well as a team and kept it quiet, which is why we couldn’t figure it out, but the bottom line is, we have control over how we deal with it. And I met one gentleman who had been a fireman up to and including September 11, and then he decided that he wanted to become a police officer because his brother had been an officer and killed on September 11, and he wanted to go after all those terrorists and kill them, which is not a very positive reason for becoming a police officer. And that kind of hatred doesn’t help. And I think that it’s very important that we really need to look at why we do the things that we do and that we do, and for the right reasons. There’s a group of people called Business Continuity people. They’re in the business continuity industry. They describe themselves, according to one person who I met from the group called the what if people, they’re always analyzing, well, what if this happens? What do we need to do to react to keep the business going? What if this happens? But what I noticed in talking with them, and I was at one of their conferences and delivered a speech in London last year about it. One of the things I noticed is they don’t do it out of fear. They do it because they know that they can keep businesses going. But they’re not doing it out of fear. They’re focusing on what if for a different reason. And that’s the thing that I think that we need to do more of collectively as humans, is do it for the right reason, and let fear help focus you, but don’t let it overwhelm or blind you.

Iuri Milo  29:14

Yeah, that’s beautifully said. I’ve heard that that the message of fear is prepare, right? So I think that that, I like that idea right, that you can take, you know, what could potentially be right, kind of, what if ing ourselves to death, right, where we’re kind of just or catastrophizing all the potential bad, but what you’re describing right is a very intentional look at the what ifs in order to prepare or to find some solutions to some of the problems that could arise. And so I think that that’s the key, right is sometimes I’ll describe our emotions or even fear as kind of like the lights on a dashboard. Ride on a car, right when you kind of get your, you know, your oil light is blinking, or your engine light comes on, or your tire, you know, is low, and that means something, right? There is a message to that. And so I think that’s exactly what we can do, is we can see if we can identify, like, what’s the message here? Or perhaps an even more important question is like, what can I do right to address this in a positive way? What do I need to do to address the problem? And so sometimes, when we ask a better question, we’ll get better results, we’ll get better answers. And so whereas when we ask all the wrong questions, we’re going to get crappy we’re going to get crappy responses.

Michael Hingson  30:41

So this is hard to resist, so I won’t. Did you ever watch the TV show The Big Bang Theory?

Iuri Milo  30:48

Oh my gosh. I think I’ve seen maybe one or two episodes, but I never got into it. Should I get into it?

Michael Hingson  30:53

Michael, oh, it’s fun. It’s funny. I’ll have to do it. So Penny, one of the women on the show had a car and her check engine light was on for 15 or 13 years while the show was on. So I’m not sure that the check engine light means anything, because she never had a problem with it. Just saying, I love that. I love that. No, I I hear what you’re saying, and I think it’s it’s so important that people need to step back, we need to become more introspective, and we need to start to do more work to understand why we’re afraid, because then we can work on fixing that problem. But no one people can advise us, but we have to do the work ourselves

Iuri Milo  31:38

we do. And even going back to one of the statements that you made just a few minutes ago, Michael, in in regards to, like, our ability to respond right, or, or to, kind of, in a sense, I feel like we’re these meaning making machines, right? And I’m reminded of, you know, Victor Frankel’s book, Man’s Search for Meaning, which you know as a listener. If you haven’t had a chance to listen or to read that book, I would just highly recommend it. That’s like, it’s like a top five for me. It’s really solid. But there’s kind of this, this wonderful quote in there where he says, between stimulus and response, right? Between what happens to us and what we do with it, right? Or in our response is this space, and in that space is our ability to choose our response. And in our ability to choose our response lies our freedom and our happiness, right? So that’s really what that space is, right. Is not just to choose what that response will be, but I would even say that in that space is our ability to choose what that event actually means, right? And if you and if you think about like I, I tend to kind of subscribe to this concept of, you know, cognitive or cognitive behavioral therapy, right? Which is the idea that the way that we perceive the events in our lives matters more than the events themselves, and so our ability to have these these belief systems or ideas are really key. Are great long term solutions that really impact your mood and well being. In fact, sometimes I’ll, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the movie Inception, Michael, but it’s one of my absolute favorite movies. I love that movie. And at the beginning of that movie, you kind of have this idea of of extraction, which is the individuals in this movie would go into people’s dreams, go into their mind, through their dreams, and their purpose was to steal secrets right from people’s minds. But then the movie kind of changes gears a little bit from from the extraction of an idea or an extraction of a secret to inception, right or planting an idea inside someone’s mind, an idea so powerful that it would fundamentally change that person. And so I I always like to kind of optimistically or maybe even idealistically think that that their ideas that we can plant inside of our minds that are so powerful that they can positively transform us, and I absolutely believe that. And so I find that as a therapist, that’s definitely one of those things that I’m constantly looking to do is sometimes extract right some of those ideas that are running unconsciously inside of us that are just they’re no longer of service. They’re not effective, they don’t help us. And that, of course, is planting the kinds of ideas and belief systems that will help someone to live an extraordinary life because they have an extraordinary mindset.

Michael Hingson  34:56

And in reality, I believe we have all the answers. Is that is we know what to do. We know how to make that happen, or we should, but we we ignore it. We don’t listen to our inner voices. We don’t listen to and observe so many things that go on around us that we

Michael Hingson  35:15

again, just allow fear to take over and overwhelm us, which really doesn’t help and doesn’t serve us in very good stead at all. Tell me a little bit more about school pulps. How does it? How does it work? Why is it? Why is it so successful? What do you do?

Iuri Milo  35:35

Well, I don’t know if it’s, I mean, it’s, it’s successful because we’re able to intervene directly with students. So let me I’ll kind of explain it with maybe a little bit of a backstory. That’d be great. Yeah. So So I think schools and I, I’ve been indirectly involved with schools now for seven years. I don’t presume to be an educator myself, but I have had the privilege of just meeting the most extraordinary superintendents, principals, administrators, school counselors, school social workers and school psychologists. So I feel like I’ve learned a lot over the past seven years. And I think one of the things that schools really want to do right is and schools kind of have to do this. They have to provide services to all students, right? And one of the things that schools right now have to do is they have to provide some sort of whether it’s curriculum or initiatives that are meant to prevent student suicide and to improve student wellness, right? And so that’s really where school pulse comes in. What we want to be for schools, is that systemic solution, right? There’s that great quote which I’m sure you realized, or that you’ll remember, Michael, which is, you know, we, we don’t rise to the level of our goals or objectives. We tend to fall to the level of our systems, right? Because sometimes systems just aren’t in place to make something be sustainable. And what we really want to do is we want to come into schools and provide them with a sustainable solution to all students. And we do that in a variety of ways. So for example, like one of the first things that I tell schools to do the moment that we walk into a school is, let’s begin our once a week email campaign to every single parent and every single student our video, we deliver one video a week that those are our Student Success videos that are just packed to the brim with evidence based positive psychology growth mindset strategies and other cognitive strategies that have been proven not only to protect children from suicide and other disorders and other problems, but also to improve student success, student persistence, student wellness, student happiness. And that’s really a core principle of positive psychology is the realization that success revolves around happiness and not the other way around, right? It’s kind of this Copernican revolution, right? Where we sometimes think that happiness revolves around success, but it’s actually the other way around. Happiness is a huge advantage for people, and so our goal is we want to deliver in a in a non spammy way, in a very informational way, the best content available to parents and to students to help them to be successful, to help them to engage in their school culture, To help them to better and improve their relationships, and to help them to succeed academically, of course, which is what schools are there to do anyways. And so we do that through our email campaigns that schools can begin immediately. We provide them with the most comprehensive mental health resource for teens in the country, Truly, truly, and I know that that can sound a little cliche, like really Yuri, is it really the most comprehensive and the best? And the answer to that, Michael is absolutely yes. We have created that. We give that to every school. We also provide schools with our live text based support. Just imagine having a student come into your office, right? Maybe they’re struggling, they’re failing in school, or they’re having issues with their with their grades, or maybe they’re having some suicidal ideation or struggling with substance abuse, or maybe their parents are divorcing, and as a counselor or an administrator, you say, Man, I want to provide this kid with some support, right? And you can opt that student in to our amazing text based support, and you’ve literally at the click of a button, you’ve just given that student this tool that will be with them all year long, through the holidays, through the summer months, proactively engaging them twice a week over text and then anytime that. Student engages. They’re going to engage with a live team of people, not artificial intelligence, but a live team of people that will be available to them after school through the holidays. It’s incredible. So we want to provide real tools to schools that don’t create more work for them that actually are relieving work from them. And so we’re we’ve really worked hard. We’ve really tried to listen really. We’ve tried to listen to them like, what are your problems? What issues are you having? Where Are you overwhelmed? And then let us come in and come to the rescue and provide you with real solutions that relieve your struggle and your overwhelm.

Michael Hingson  40:45

What are some examples, if you can relatively easily do it? What are some examples, for example, of texts? Oh my gosh. What are some examples of texts that you might send to a student that that help them with that?

Iuri Milo  41:00

I love it. So every Tuesday, we deliver our brand new Student Success activities. So for example, the one that just went out today, we always try to make our Student Success activities match the time of the year. Obviously it’s the beginning of the school year for most people. So the text that just were the activity, the video that just went out this last Tuesday was how to become a better student, or, How do I get to be a better student, right? And so we just released this text, right? It has our little video image, and it just has a little question about, like, Hey, have you ever thought about or how, how do you become a better student? Or, What things are you doing right now to help you to be a better student? And it just has the link. The kids can click on the link, it immediately opens the video, and the kids can watch it. And then on Fridays, we do a variety of things. We send out other inspirational and engaged, engaging content. For example, we might share that quote. We might share the quote that just says, Hey, do you know that positive relationships, multiply your joys and divide your sorrows. Or, you know, we might share that quote by Victor Frankel, or we might show where we might share another quote, let’s say by Winston Churchill, that maybe says like, you know, six your your failures aren’t fatal, your successes and final, right? And this idea that we can just keep trying and trying and trying and trying and trying. We try to always release texts that are engaging, that are trying to engage the students, because when they engage back, they’re going to get a live person that’s enthusiastic, that’s grateful, and that has a ton of resources available to them to give to those kids, but man, we have seen some incredible success. Michael, I mean, just all the things that you can imagine, all the way from students who are themselves struggling, maybe with suicidal ideation, or whose parents have gone through a divorce, or who have lost a loved one, or maybe who are suicidal themselves, or who are self harmony, or maybe who are having some homicidal ideation, and they share that with us, and we’re able to intervene. And we just have some truly like Nobel Prize winning type experiences with students who tell us where they’re maybe struggling, or they’re dealing with physical or sexual or emotional abuse, and we’re able to intervene and help those students is just absolutely phenomenal.

Michael Hingson  43:24

Do you oftentimes use stories to to help people relate?

Iuri Milo  43:30

Sometimes, I mean, so that’s what, that’s one of the beauties, right of having real people answer real texts is they can relate, right? They can talk to them about their own struggles, their own challenges in high school and middle school, right? And they can connect individually with their students. But ultimately, of course, our goal is we want to make sure that we’re interested in them. We’re asking them questions. We want to make sure that we’re seeking to understand, first, right, and then certainly providing them or or or matching them, or meeting them where they are, which really just means with our own experience, right, with our own stories.

Michael Hingson  44:07

Someone you’re engaging students, you you may very well ask them questions, because you’ve got live people who want to really get to know them.

Iuri Milo  44:16

That’s exactly right. We have kind of an acronym, and I won’t spend the time to kind of tell you what each letter of it means, but there’s kind of six or seven key areas that kind of govern our conversation or the way that we speak to people, and the first six are really all relationship building strategies where we greet students with enthusiasm, we thank them for being there. We match them, we ask them questions we seek to understand, and then only at the end, right do we offer suggestions or provide some advice with permission. But really, the key is helping students to feel a sense that they’re being heard, that it’s. Safe, that they’re being understood, and only then do we then provide, you know, with some ideas or some suggestions that they could try on their own. So we’re and, of course, and I will just say this, because this is important. We I want to make sure that people understand that we’re not attempting to be a solution unto ourselves. Really. What I mean by that is our goal is always to connect those students to their networks where they are like we realize that the most important factor for that students, well being, their happiness in the short and long term are positive relationships where they are. So our goal is always to connect students to their parents, to their guardians, to the professionals at the school and to other local resources. That’s what we want to build for them, because we know that that’s the ultimate protective factor.

Michael Hingson  45:54

Yeah, I would suspect that sometimes some of your team gets into some pretty heavy discussions

Iuri Milo  46:06

they can. I mean, we have, we have students who come to us right with I want to tell you that about 80 to 85% of our engagement in interactions with students are of a positive nature, which is actually important too, because by talking about the positive, we enhance it, right? But obviously we have, you know, 15 to 20% of our conversations are, at times, students who are struggling, right? Yeah, all the way from just very basic things, I had a fight with my friend, or I just failed my test, or I’m stressed out, or I’m tired, or I’m not sleeping well, like you said, all the way to, you know, them reporting physical or sexual abuse, and us just caring for them and then connecting them with the help so they can get right help, right there where they are.

Michael Hingson  46:53

Yeah, and that’s, that’s really the issue. And ultimately, all you can do is, well, it’s not as simple as saying be supportive, but all you can do, really is, is to be there to listen to guide, but students ultimately have to take some steps on their own at your direction.

Iuri Milo  47:15

Absolutely, absolutely. And like I said, that’s kind of our triage, right? Is, is always, I mean, one of the first questions that our team will ask a student who comes to us is always, is your parent? Are your parents aware? Have you spoken to them? Do they know about this? Would you be willing to speak to them? Right? We want to forge that. We want to strengthen that. And then if that’s not a possibility, or if they choose to not do that, then our next our next movement, our next scale, right is, is we look to connect those wonderful students to the professionals at the school, which usually means a school counselor, school social worker, one of their administrators, who then kind of help to make that transition, honestly, Back to the parents, but, but that’s really what we’re what we want to do. Like I said, we’re we’re not arrogant. We’re born on humility. We’re not, we’re not the ultimate solution or the final solution. We’re just, we’re part of that, and we’re really honored, yeah, we’re really honored to be part of that.

Michael Hingson  48:18

So I assume that as part of what you’re doing, you’re also working to train the schools, train the staff to be more connected, to deal with more of these solutions, and to understand, hopefully more of what’s going on with their students as well

Iuri Milo  48:38

what we are, I think, and I Think this is kind of a key part, and I’ll just share it as my own personal opinion. I really feel like I’m thinking about like universities, like Yale, Harvard, Stanford, I mean, even like BYU, or, I’m sure, other colleges or universities throughout the country, and some of the most, if not the most popular classes on campus have to do with wellness, student wellness, the science of happiness. My goal, honestly, Michael, is, why are we not doing this in high school, like, why are we not teaching these valuable concepts that not only protect our kids, right? Which is really where I want to aim. Our focus is on building the protective factors for our children, instead of just being enamored and hypnotized by the risk factors or the diagnostic side of things, and so that’s really what I’m hoping to bring to schools, is this incredible dose and injection of positive and growth mindset strategies that help students to succeed, academically, socially, in their relationship. Groups in their life, physically, emotionally, spiritually, etc, like that is the goal. That’s where I feel like my opinion is that’s where school should be. Doing more, more of that proactive and preventative measure, instead of this overly focus on suicide, which, of course, is important, and I want to prevent suicide. My opinion is that I think we’d be doing a better job of preventing suicide by leaning on and fortifying the protective factors of children instead of just focusing on the risk factors, right?

Michael Hingson  50:36

And I hear what you’re saying, and I understand it, and I agree. I think it’s so much more important, and there’s so many reasons to do that, and hopefully more people will catch on to it, including parents. Because parents have to learn to interact with their students in a different way than a lot of parents tend to do today.

Iuri Milo  50:59

So that’s one of the things that we do right is part of our is part of our our email campaigns are meant to go out to parents, and we do that for two reasons. Number one, because we I’m a parent myself. I’ve got five kids like I think it’s fabulous like that. We want to send we want to be completely transparent and share the very best that we have with those parents so that they have some fabulous resources to use with their own children. That’s one. And then, of course, the other kind of mentioned the right is the idea that we just, we’re trying to develop them, and at the same time, also be respectful of parental rights and be transparent, right?

Michael Hingson  51:44

You have written two books, mind over gray matter and Know thy selfie. Tell me about those.

Iuri Milo  51:49

Oh man, those were like joyous times in my life. I’ll tell you just a brief little story. I won’t take too long, I promise, but that’s okay. Mind Mind Over gray matter was, was the first book that I wrote, and it’s really kind of geared more towards adults, but I I want to say that I was maybe 13, maybe 14 years into my practice or so, and had always kind of thought of this idea of writing a book had kind of been percolating In my mind. My mom was a writer herself, just a beautiful poet, truly like in my opinion, just immensely, immensely talented. And I think in some way, consciously or unconscious, she kind of planted this little idea inside my mind to write. And I was always kind of intrigued by that, and so I had always kind of talked about this idea of writing and wanting to write. And my wife, honestly, God bless her, she, she challenged me. He said, you just stop talking about it and do something about it. And I’m so grateful for her. And I think that that statement probably hurt and stung a little bit, but honestly it became a little bit of the driving force. And I started, I mean, I would wake up, I kind of had a little bit of a routine. I would wake up about five. I would write and edit and edit and write and write and edit. And I did that for months and months and months and and began to kind of build this project and put it together. And that’s really what mind over gray matter was. It’s kind of built on this idea that we can use our mind, our best thinking, our best self, basically to change the brain that sometimes acts from a really irrational or primitive place. And so I kind of try to make this distinction right between our brain, which is kind of the biological survivalistic organ that’s kind of housed inside of our inside of our cranium, right, and our mind right, which is our best thinking and that we can kind of educate and train our brain to do those things that are of greatest worth and value. And so it’s just filled with lots of ideas and fun chapters that are meant to just elevate one’s perspective and one’s mindset to really create an extraordinary mindset, or extraordinary psychology so and then, know, thy selfie was kind of that version, but written for teens like so, kind of writing things at that kind of more teenage language, but just really, just some platitudes and some ideas on how to make their life better and to just live deep and suck the marrow, right, which is kind of one of my very favorite quotes by Henry David Thoreau, right? That’s what I want kids to do, instead of just getting caught up in apathy and just ambivalence and not doing anything.

Michael Hingson  54:55

So if you could go back and tell your younger self something about mindset. What would it be?

Iuri Milo  55:03

I think, as a young boy, was really fortunate. I feel like I just grew up in an extraordinary place with, I think, parents that really cared and loved me. I’m so grateful for my older brother and sister who really led the way for me. But I dare say that that that some of my life, especially when I moved here to the United States, when I came to America, I think fear really held me back. Fear, fear of fear of results or outcomes or being rejected, and I just didn’t it just, I just didn’t know enough, you know, I didn’t really think of the idea that rejection really just means next or a redirection, right? And so I think as a result, I really held back. I didn’t try a lot of things, and so I have some regrets, which I think is absolutely fine. I think I think it’s fine to have some regrets as I look back into my life, but I think that’s one thing that I would say is, is I wish I would have lived a little bit more courageously. I wish I would have been a little more proactive and engaged instead of passively, kind of waiting for things to come to me. So I would have said, Yuri, like, just send it my friend. Like, get out there, give it a go, try things out. Like, go out there and fail spectacularly and figure that out, learn from that and move on to the next thing and and really build some skills that will become these renewable sources of joy and happiness for you, and just go for it, and so that that’s what I would have said. I would have said to just stop shrinking, instead start rising up.

Michael Hingson  56:57

What’s one common myth or mistake about therapy and psychology that you wish you could just totally eliminate,

Iuri Milo  57:04

I think thanks for asking that. That’s a fun question. Probably one of the questions that I most asked as a clinician is, did you ever get kind of bogged down by meeting with people and just hearing all the negative things about their life. And so I think that the assumption there, right, Michael, is that therapy is this kind of negative place, right, where we’re just kind of commiserating, or I’m just listening to people’s problems, and somehow it’s burdening me and my soul, and I think my answer to people is Man Therapy is such an incredibly positive environment, at least with me. I mean, I guess I can’t speak for anybody else, but, but for me, it’s never just about me absorbing right like this receiver like people’s misery. It’s taking some of those struggles at times, right, and learning how to synthesize those so that we can turn them towards benefits, or how to move forward, how to look for solutions like so for me, therapy is this incredibly optimistic place where we’re constantly looking to build and grow and develop and create and find a way to take the challenges of our life and consecrate them for our good. Like to have them build it, build us for our good. And so that’s, I think, one of the misconceptions that I would love for people to realize is that, like you’re going to come to therapy and you’re going to leave, I hope, relieved and feeling with a sense of hope from day one, like that’s how you should be feeling when you leave that therapist’s office.

Michael Hingson  58:55

Ultimately, you, as a therapist, can only you can give people a lot of information, but you have to do it in such a way that you show them that they have to adopt the answers for themselves. You can’t force people to do that. And it’s so exciting. I’m sure when you see that happen,

Iuri Milo  59:15

it is but I but I think that that’s actually really important too. Michael, right is, is the recognition, right, that that there is a clear and distinct line right between myself and other people, right? And influence. We talked about that a little bit earlier, right? Because I have to realize that, like I have to realize that I’m here to invite, to present, to encourage, to assist, but then that people certainly have that ability, and that’s their business, right? Like that’s their business. Their business is to choose whether to do or to follow or to be encouraged or not. And I think that that’s for me, that’s been helpful in my profession to keep myself, I suppose, happy and joyous with where I am, despite some of the choices of my clients, like. Is I truly, I truly respect them, and I respect their ability to choose for themselves whether to do whatever I suggest or whatever things we come up together in therapy, or whether or not to and I respect that, and I respect that that may be a long process for them, and that there’s a lot of story to be written, and that things don’t have to change according to my timeline.

Michael Hingson  1:00:24

Well, the other part about that is that the very fact that you project that kind of an attitude and help people see that it’s up to them, and that you have, if you will, the line that you won’t cross, maybe that’s not the way to put it, but you you have a part that you play, but they’re really the main players. When you’re able to project that and people understand it, that’s got to be a cool thing.

Iuri Milo  1:00:53

It is. And my hope is that that’ll do two things. Number one, I, I do it’s really important for me, I think, as a therapist, right, I I don’t want to speak to just be heard, right, or just for the sake of speaking my my goal, right, as a therapist, right, is, is, I want to craft the message in a way and with the kind of tone and attitude, right, that it will make it more likely that it will be received, right? And so when I approach things with gentleness, with kindness, with compassion, right, even when I approach it with that kind of mentality of like, hey, here are a couple of ideas, and you can take them or leave them like, and I love you either way, right? I actually find that that opens people and makes them more receptive to listening when it’s not given from a place of constraint, right, right? And so for me, that that’s really what it’s about, right? Is I try to convey that attitude in part because I’m I’m hoping that my words or my suggestions can be considered not because I I’m somehow communicating all the truth or capital T truth all the time, but I work really hard to try to provide, you know, obviously things that are could be meaningful and valuable for them.

Michael Hingson  1:02:16

As I said, You’re conveying through attitude and through the way you behave, something that people can react to, and hopefully they they see it and they do it. What are a few habits that you have adopted to help maintain your mindset every day?

Iuri Milo  1:02:38

I’ve got a couple of things. I and I’ll speak spiritually here for a second, that the practice of prayer and it you know, and for you that might be contemplation for you, that might be meditation for you, that might be journaling, whatever that is. But without a doubt, I just have to say that I find that a lot of my days sometimes are spent with this kind of active conversation that’s happening through prayer for me and for me, that has just been it’s been something that actually my mind will turn to almost automatically. I mean, it’s been a long time. I’m almost 50 years old. I’ve been doing that for a long time, yeah, but it’s become a really significant part of my life. The other thing that I would say, and I kind of talked about, kind of having, you know, some activities, right, that kind of become these renewable sources of joy or happiness for me, and I really like those you know, whether it be like, you know, playing the guitar or climbing or running with friends or doing these activities, especially if I can include them or include my family in it, that’s like, top notch, right? Because that’s like, the top or the peak of my life is to do those things with my family. But I would say doing those things and continuing to find ways to keep my mind, my body, my spirit, growing. I just feel like I think we’re made to evolve like I think everything in our bodies and mind screams evolution and progression. And when I believe that I’m growing and evolving, I’m happier, for sure. And so for me, that’s something really important as well as I feel like I have to be nurturing growth, and when I am, I find that there’s energy inside of me, so that’s an important key

Michael Hingson  1:04:43

for me. I’m with you. I know for me, prayer is a very important part of what what I do. And for me, it isn’t so much the praying me saying, God, this is what I need, because God knows what I need. It’s more me listening to get the answers

Iuri Milo  1:05:05

so important. I agree with you. I think that that’s one area, Michael that just speaking to you. I’ll use you as my coach. I feel like I could do better there. I could do better there. I think allowing God or a little bit more time for that inspiration or potentially even revelation to come through. That’s an area where I feel like I’m sometimes so rushed right that I maybe do a lot of talking there, kind of like what I’ve been doing in this episode, Michael and maybe I need to allow more of those times to just to listen. I think that would be a powerful practice that I think I need to maybe improve a little bit as well.

Michael Hingson  1:05:56

Well, if people want to reach out to you, to learn about school, pulse, or just interact with you in some way. And I don’t know whether you’re taking on too many additional clients, but how do they do that?

Iuri Milo  1:06:07

Yeah, I mean, so you can for school pulse, specifically, you can go to our website, at school pulse.org, and you can, you can reach out to me. You can, you can see kind of what we’re about. And I’ll also provide some stuff for Michael if you want to add that, please like a link to those. If you want to reach out to me individually, you can just go to you can just email me directly at Yuri. And my name is kind of strange. It’s I, you are i at school, pulse.org, and you can just email me directly and and let’s chat. I’m happy to engage with you in wherever state you’re in, so I’d love to help

Michael Hingson  1:06:47

cool well, I want to thank you for all of this today, and I want to thank all of you for being here with us. I hope you’ve enjoyed it. I hope you find it helpful, and that you’ll reach out to Yuri, because I am sure that school pulse will help your kids, and I’m sure that he’s got lots of wisdom that he would be very happy to share. So please reach out to him. I’d love to hear what you think about today’s episode. Please email me at Michael H, i@accessibe.com

Michael Hingson  1:07:15

that’s m, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I at, A, C, C, E, S, S, i, b, e.com, and please, wherever you are, give us a five star rating for the podcast episode today. It’s valuable. We love your feedback. We love your thoughts, and I want to hear what you have to say. And for all of you, including you, Erie, if you know anyone who ought to be a guest on unstoppable mindset, love to have an introduction. So please do that. But for now, I just want to thank you, Yuri, this has been great. I want to thank you for being here and for all the wisdom that you’ve imparted to us today.

Iuri Milo  1:07:50

You’re very kind. I really appreciate you, Michael and your your searching questions. You’re very good. I really appreciate that

Michael Hingson  1:08:01

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